A reptile is a reptile and most likely doesn't have the capacity
within it's procreative species to advance intellectually. Remember a
species must have the components necessary for processing genetic
material. The number of years in existence alone does not
automatically promote intellectual advancement as a natural
consequence but remains largely reliant on the natural capacity of any
given species, in the sense of growth or limitation. One cannot build
a house without the proper tools, mental tools. GarrieMushet brings
about the example of Cheetah and Gazelle while using equestrian
breeding technology as a platform. However, this does totally leave
out the incidence of limitation in both cases. By now if breeding the
fastest with the fastest is without limitation, horses would be
running as fast as cars. With the Gazelle and Cheetah we can conclude
that they have reached their limitation and therefore are simply in
the process of maintaining that limitation at it's highest level.
This observation is not a preclusion against the continued evolution
of any species but more a recognition that stagnation can occur in the
process, as well as finalization. We can't just assume that evolution
is all-encompassing, with every attribute advancing as an effect of
the process. Our intelligence may not be as much a result of our
evolution as the culmination of accumulated knowledge from learning
experiences our brains (all the while) had capacity to process. Like
a hard drive with 50 gig available storage.
preclusion
On Jul 27, 11:36 am, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Slip - You may well be right about sleep for those who sleep in
> groups. Of course, many don't.
> I fear you missed my point about intelligence. You seem to agree
> with me that intelligence confers an evolutionary advantage. Given
> this, then why weren't the reptiles absolutely brilliant? They were on
> earth for something like 200 million years whereas we as a intelligent
> species have only been here for less that 100,000 years. Could it be
> that reptiles became so brilliant that they passed beyond this 3D
> universe to somewhere else? There's no evidence that any progress by
> reptiles to that point exists, so I doubt it. Thus my question - is
> intelligence an exception to evolution? If so, why? If not, why not?
>
> On Jul 21, 7:10 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Sleep is essential to health and where/when tribal function comes into
> > play. There are always others to watch for attack while one gets the
> > much needed rest that allows the body to rejuvenate. A clan may pose
> > an impenetrable force against attack. Truth is that I survived well
> > for years on 4 to 6 hours sleep a day. Health, energy and sleep are a
> > unit.
> > We are definitely advanced intellectually and living better than the
> > ancients. It may seem that we are not as smarter because we are
> > discovering new aspects of life and the universe that we know not much
> > about. We have space technology that provides visual and
> > communication aspects of our world that gives us the edge on
> > hurricanes, tornadoes, rain and drought. This aspect of intelligence
> > evolution alone adds greatly to "survival of the fittest" but we can
> > rather say "survival of the smartest".
> > It's easy to relate Darwinian theory to our primordial beginnings but
> > today much of it needs modification to bring it up to date with modern
> > living. Think about it next time you are at the zoo and see that
> > beast in the cage that would have ripped you to shreds were it not for
> > our evolved intelligence.
>
> > On Jul 14, 12:35 pm, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > As I understand one basic premise of the theory of evolution,
> > > survival of the fittest prefers individuals that live longer, breed
> > > faster and leave more progeny. Yet two traits we possess – sleep and
> > > intelligence – seem to contradict this preference.
> > > Sleep works against survival for, while sleeping, an individual
> > > can
> > > hardly defend against attack and consumption. So evolution would seem
> > > to have selected those individuals needing less and less sleep, until
> > > sleep would no longer be needed. Yet today, maybe one billion years
> > > after speciation began, we still need our 8 hours of sleep.
> > > Intelligence also seems to disprove the all-encompassing scope of
> > > evolution. Those individuals better able to recall experience and
> > > predict the future would have an advantage in food-gathering, mate
> > > selection and progeny protection. Yet we hardly seem smarter today
> > > than humans living thousands of years ago.
> > > Are these traits exceptions to evolution? Are there other
> > > exceptions?
> > > I expect so. But no one discusses them. Why not?- Hide quoted text -
>
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