I agree- also the suspicion of Papists and Jews. In fact, I lived in a
restricted area as a child- no Jews allowed- and mother was not
allowed to sell our home to a Jewish doctor after my father died. The
housing laws were changed- nationwide- maybe in the 60's. Also, there
was madness and despair- "Giants in the Earth"-Ole Rolvaag

On Jul 29, 12:36 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> rigsy, if you include blacks and other groups not accepted by 'small
> town America' over the centuries, I don't see how 'we' can be seen as
> 'gracious'. The Civil War alone would show how schizophrenic 'we'
> are...as did Jim Crow, the KKK and other less seemly historical
> realities that all too often are ignored by the more 'gentile' among
> us.
> Many German and Jewish frineds of mine use the term schwartza often
> and in a not too friendly way either.
>
> On Jul 29, 3:53 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yes it does- am thinking of barn raisings, harvesting, sick visits,
> > etc. and small town America without over-sentimentalizing them. Often
> > there was a common European heritage- Germans, Scandanavians and
> > Irish- but just as often there was a polyglot of cultures especially
> > when an area became industrialized. Milwaukee is an excellent example
> > of the latter. Less harmonious was Chicago and it meat packing and
> > steel industries along with its labor and housing riots and slums.
>
> > On Jul 29, 3:09 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > “…   I agree that our community, local, regional, national or
> > > whatever, used to be far more friendly, given to helping one another,
> > > gracious, gentlemanly and gentlewomanly, willing to reconcile and
> > > forgive….” – RJ
>
> > > Jim, while I think I understand your point, I suggest that IF one
> > > takes xenophobia (including all forms of racism) into account, ‘our’
> > > history does not support such a Pollyannaish view.
>
> > > On Jul 28, 10:45 am, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Slip - a very interesting and timely topic. Thanks for introducing
> > > > it.
> > > >      I agree that our community, local, regional, national or
> > > > whatever, used to be far more friendly, given to helping one another,
> > > > gracious, gentlemanly and gentlewomanly, willing to reconcile and
> > > > forgive. Now extremeism, hatred, and revenge seem to be so prevalent.
> > > > I think a large part of this change is due to political gerrymandering
> > > > - the drawing of political boundaries to encompass only those of a
> > > > particluar party, or viewpoint, or attitude. Thus, to get elected the
> > > > candidate had to be extreme, and this extremeism had carried over into
> > > > our communal life. There are hardly any moderates any more, whereas
> > > > when political boundaries used to be drawn without regard to -isms,
> > > > moderates got elected and were our leaders. The Supreme Court had an
> > > > opportunity to strike down political gerrymandering a few years ago
> > > > but did not. So we are stuck in a society now filled with extremeists.
> > > > Anyway, that's my two cents. Jim
>
> > > > On Jul 26, 3:22 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Are we losing the ability to reconcile in the world?  Have we slipped
> > > > > so far from the understanding of brotherhood, of forgiveness that we
> > > > > have simply become a world of hatred and revenge.   We are literally
> > > > > mortified by the specter of terrorism that is plaguing the world.  The
> > > > > mindset of terrorism is anchored in the inability to allow forgiveness
> > > > > to override anger and instead caters to hatred, anger and violence
> > > > > towards those deemed the wrongdoers without regard for the harm
> > > > > imposed upon the innocent bystanders.
> > > > > Aside from that our culture seems entrenched in the business of
> > > > > revenge, we rather employ legal means to inflict suffering upon those
> > > > > who we think have done us wrong before we would sit down directly and
> > > > > discuss the problems.  Politics seems to be leaning more toward
> > > > > instilling anger and fears among us which leads to a polarization of
> > > > > society while most media seem devoted to divisive and anger driven
> > > > > reporting with a general attitude of who is to blame.
> > > > > Can we ever stop sending messages attached to missiles, bombs and
> > > > > bullets?  Our attempts to establish peaceful means of resolution have
> > > > > failed miserably because there is never a general consensus on any
> > > > > issue.  We sanction and punish to no end in order to force change but
> > > > > to no avail.  People are at war in every quadrant of the planet while
> > > > > new agitations are festering in the background waiting to emerge as
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