I support that analysis, and am a little surprised at the resistance.
On Aug 4, 6:09 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
> There is a link between neurochemistry and emotion, Chris, but the
> direction of cause is in dispute. Basically happy people have a
> balance in body chemistry that reflects that. Constantly angry people
> have a body chemistry that reflects that. Two different body
> chemistry balances in many ways. Are you saying that the chemistry
> drives the emotion? Because I think it is the other way around, and
> that we can learn to maintain emotional health just as we can learn to
> maintain physical health.
>
> On Aug 4, 5:38 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The reason I come back to injections, Molly, is because we know that
> > chemicals control moods, shape them. Seratonin, dopamine, oxytocin,
> > adrenaline...these are the building blocks of our emotions. Our moods do not
> > create them...they would not exist without them. Outside stimulus will cause
> > response, and with conscious effort, we can indeed learn to, in some small
> > way, mitigate their production, but it is not circular to recognize the
> > causal nature of neurochemistry to mood. The injection experiment would be
> > empirical proof of this; if your mood was capable of mitigating a
> > contradictory dosage of neurochemical cocktail, it would provide scientific
> > evidence to support your statement.
>
> > But then, according to your post, this isn't about scientific facts, this is
> > about individual truths (read: faith).
>
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Again, the which came first circular argument. I am not saying that
> > > neurochemistry does not exist, Chris, only that it is not the whole
> > > picture. And this is not the first time you have suggested that I
> > > inject something to prove your point (or Ian's). I guess you didn't
> > > understand my post above when I said that is up to YOU to prove to
> > > yourself, not me to prove to you. I have already proved it to myself.
> > > I have learned with much contemplation and self examination, to
> > > regulate my moods and emotional responses. You may take a pill to
> > > regulate yours, I don't know. As I say, to each his own.
>
> > > On Aug 4, 5:15 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > It's easy enough to test your theory, Molly. I can inject you with the
> > > > chemicals which WILL alter your mood, and you can attempt to combat them
> > > by
> > > > willing your mood to change the chemicals.
>
> > > > How can the mood exist outside of the chemicals? The mood IS the
> > > chemicals.
> > > > Neurochemistry is not some dark and unexplored science. There is much
> > > > research available. Here's a good start
>
> > > >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?call=bv.View..ShowTOC&rid=b...
>
> > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > > While chemical balance is one part of our "health," claiming that it
> > > > > the entire picture is a very narrow focus. You seem to be presenting
> > > > > the premise that our chemical balance produces our mood. I suggest
> > > > > that our mood effects our chemical balance. Quackery and juju works
> > > > > both ways, and simply can't get away with it anymore may also apply to
> > > > > an outdated medical model. The paradigm of science itself is
> > > > > changing, although mainstream is slow to catch up.
>
> > > > > Orn, you did mean posters and not posers, I take it. Very funny.
>
> > > > > On Aug 4, 4:32 pm, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > The body can heal itself; this is not a revelation, it does this
> > > > > > continuously, every day, with the production of new cells. The
> > > operating
> > > > > > factor and scope for variability, and there is only one, is the
> > > chemical
> > > > > > balance of the body in question. Mood is part of this.
>
> > > > > > Why try to dress this up with quackery and juju? You simply can't
> > > > > > get
> > > > > away
> > > > > > with it any more.
>
> > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text -
>
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