D! And you just said a few posts back that it wasn't Faith... ;) On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:42 PM, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Thanks for the links. I actually went to his website already and may > read what he has to say later, although I don't really need convincing > because, as mentioned, I have been faking myself into good health for > years, mostly by not allowing stress to dominate my life. I know I > have succeeded because, even when I have gone through financially > tough times (the ONLY thing that can stress me out), I have always had > happy, light-hearted dreams, and dreams to me are a true indication of > the state of affairs in ones physical life. > > I have an identical twin who stresses out over many things. He looks > 10 years older than I. I don't offer this as proof that my stress free > life has anything to do with aging or extending a healthy life. Maybe > its his sleep disorder, but then I'd have to ask why he has one. > > I really am not a scientist or a scholar, as is quite evident by my > simple words. I have very little interest in gaining knowledge of > human life as I have indicated elsewhere. I am a spiritual person who > has come to conclusions about life through introspection and the > blessings of spiritual experiences, and look forward to a time where > verbal communication is no longer required. Not that I don't enjoy > talking to you guys ;-] > > On Aug 5, 11:31 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > http://www.brucelipton.com/article/the-wisdom-of-your-cells > > > > http://www.brucelipton.com/article/the-wisdom-of-your-cellspart-2-how... > > > > http://www.brucelipton.com/article/the-wisdom-of-your-cells-part-3 > > > > Here is a three part article that explains the cellular biology > > involved in belief written by a cellular biologist after years of > > research. Ian and Chris probably won't read it, because this is > > something this group has hashed out many times and they remain firm in > > their beliefs of how it all works, whether they see them as beliefs or > > not. > > > > In regard to Ian's inflammatory language, he has always used it and no > > call to action to date has convinced him to stop. The moderators here > > can be intimidating and aggressive, as Justin pointed out in the > > copyright go round, and I do NOT appreciate it or find it acceptable. > > But I do appreciate the fact that they provide us here the space for > > dialogue that is rare, and try to keep that as my big picture, letting > > their rude behavior roll off. I know that it reflects on them, not > > me. I see more for them. But I think it is helpful to point it out > > when it occurs, so thank you very much. It is nice not to be the only > > one doing that. > > > > Chris and Ian come rightly to their perspective, and are not alone in > > not being able to make the leap from rational to trans-rational. Once > > you have made the leap, it is difficult to understand why others > > cannot. And difficult to explain in rational terms, what are trans- > > rational ideas or processes, because while they include what is > > rational, they also go beyond it. That doesn't mean the conversation > > isn't good or enlightening. The edge can be an edgy place... > > > > On Aug 5, 11:10 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Useless, outrageous, and ludicrous are not words typically seen in ME > > > from my experience. Like I said, must be the moon. > > > > > The comment in your first post in this thread, something like "you > > > can't get away with this anymore", seems to indicate resentment to her > > > words on a personal level, and therefore it is hard to equate them to > > > dialogue used in a "reasonable debate". I may be wrong, but my > > > impression is that Molly was being attacked and that is what I am > > > responding to. > > > > > The footnote in my previous post is not mine, but was part of the > > > report, which is why it was included in the quotation marks. Although > > > you are right that this statistic does not carry a lot of weight > > > because it is not compared to the total number of people who die per > > > year, I would hazard a guess that the number of deaths attributed to > > > medical hiccups exceeds the ones that are attributed to people dying > > > because prayer sessions didn't work. It would be interesting to know > > > this. > > > > > Even so, this is not the subject of Molly's post and, from my > > > perspective, some are having a hard time understanding the simple > > > message that she is attempting to deliver, that there is power in > > > positive thinking. I think her words that you "have to believe in it > > > to make it happen" or whatever, threw the nay sayers off the scent. > > > > > On Aug 5, 10:40 am, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Deripsni, > > > > > > Regarding your statistics -- they're useless. > > > > > > Displaying a series with no reference to population is pointless. > Making a > > > > correlation, in this case, with without a measure of frequency, is > > > > impossible. To then make an extrapolation from that series is pure > fallacy. > > > > What would be interesting is to compare the annual death-rate across > a > > > > number of areas (infection, cardiac, respiratory, autoimmune) by > decade to > > > > see if the frequencies are getting better or wose. Maybe some > Wolfram|Alpha > > > > analysis can help you? :) > > > > > > Aside from all this, did you read what you copy/pasted? > > > > > > "... highlighting these medical malpractice LAWSUIT statistics" > > > > > > Emphasis added. > > > > > > If your footnote is correct, then the only thing we do know is that > the > > > > number of lawsuits is increasing. That says more about American legal > > > > culture than the effectiveness of medical treatment, doesn't it? > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > 2009/8/5 deripsni <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Although I am not suggesting traditional medicine should not be > used, > > > > > it is not always safe (Michael Jackson ring a bell?). The following > is > > > > > an overveiw of deaths caused per year by malpractice in the USA > alone. > > > > > In fact, doesn't this bring up the issue of whether one wants to > put > > > > > their "faith" in the medical profession as it is suggested some are > > > > > doing with "quackery and juju"? > > > > > > > "The Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) produced an > > > > > article highlighting these medical malpractice lawsuit statistics, > > > > > with regard to patient deaths: > > > > > > > >106,000 patients die each year from the negative effects of > medication > > > > > > > >80,000 patients die each year due to complications from infections > > > > > incurred in hospitals > > > > > > > >20,000 deaths per year occur from other hospital errors > > > > > > > >12,000 people die every year as a result of unnecessary surgery > > > > > > > >7,000 medical malpractice deaths per year are attributed to > medication > > > > > errors in hospitals > > > > > > > This totals up to 225,000 deaths each year, due to medical > negligence > > > > > of some nature. 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