Indeed we all think we are correct, and a good thing too, or where would we be with the inability to make up our minds?
On 8 Aug, 02:45, Tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > I definitely did not mean to imply that was the circumstance in any > 'present' situation. > To get the gist of the point of view, change humble to honest or > honorable. > Devils advocating your comment, "something so bad". It could happen. > It's also possible that not doing it could get you called arrogant :-) > > peace & Love > > On Aug 7, 4:29 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > In my humble opinion, implicitly stated, could be interpreted as an edict of > > superiority? How so, as sarcasm? > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Tinker tinker <[email protected]> wrote: > > > A comment. > > > "something so bad about adding the IMHO" > > > > I do put forth my opinion when I speak, unless I am quoting someone's > > > opinion verbatim. Even then my interpretation and idea attached to the > > > other > > > opinion is my opinion. > > > Especially, on a forum such as this where the poster's name is prominently > > > displayed with their opinion, the IMHO could be interpreted as an edict of > > > ones opinion being superior. > > > > peace & Love > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:12:11 -0400 > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: I am right and you are wrong > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > > First, fantastic post, which did well to question the nature of argument. > > > > Second, dialectic pursuits often do challenge us to a. assume a position > > > of > > > correctness, and b. challenge an opposing position vigorously. Often, > > > those > > > minute details you mentioned are exactly why an opposing position is > > > incorrect. It truly can make all the difference in the world. > > > > Third, arrogance has no place in dialectics. One will always be > > > unequivocally wrong at some point, for which I reserve my favorite phrase, > > > Damitol. :) I like to think that the Minds Eye has less of the problems > > > you > > > mention than various other forums. > > > > Fourth, is there really something so bad about adding the IMHO on to > > > posts? > > > I throw those out there frequently. I often like to have the disclaimer on > > > positional statements which I know are not as fully formed and supported > > > as > > > my more axiomatic positions. > > > > On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:03 PM, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You know what I noticed about people? We all think we are > > > “right.” Every damn one of us. Lucky for you , the statements I > > > just made are partially wrong, so don’t take all this too seriously, > > > but I am going to say it all anyway, and I am going to present > > > everything I say in a tone that sounds like I believe I am right and > > > that I know what I am talking about. (Why do I do that?) Why do you > > > do that? > > > > Anyway, everywhere on the planet people are behaving this way, from > > > the smartest to the dumbest. I would say 90% of all people who post > > > on an Internet forum claim they are absolutely correct about what they > > > are telling you. One hundred percent of them are wrong about one > > > thing or another, and so is my ridiculous estimate of 90%. (Don’t try > > > and look it up, it will be wrong or distorted too) The smartest , > > > most well informed people are wrong more than they might imagine, as > > > they would find out if they had access all of the bonafide correct > > > information in the world right in front of them, which of course is > > > impossible, because it doesn’t exist. At least not in absolute form. > > > But this neither occurs to them nor is any cause for pause. They > > > speak to others about their information and facts as if they are > > > true. > > > > The 10% remaining believe they are idiots, so they don’t say too > > > much. Now when the smartest people are wrong about something the > > > idiots believe it, and now they are wrong too. And worse, they are > > > emboldened. They now think they have some correct information to > > > spread around. It is a vicious circle. > > > > Is it any wonder why people can’t get along? The human race is a > > > disaster. Thank god I am wrong about that. Oh sure, there are people > > > who are actually “right” on the surface of it, but the more you dig, > > > the wronger they get. Just like the word “wronger” (it is a very > > > shallow dig with me, there is a plus side to all this) > > > > Let’s say a person reads a book by an expert. They now feel that > > > they too are an expert, but they didn’t really absorb the entire > > > book. They think they did, but they didn’t. If they were that smart > > > or that informed they would have written the book instead of reading > > > it. You know that thing about telling ten people a story? Well now > > > this “book report” will be passed down to the next person, slightly > > > or massively distorted, and anybody who didn’t read it for > > > themselves? Well they might buy into the wrong interpretation., > > > carry around those wrong facts, telling people that it is true, > > > things that the expert didn’t even get right! > > > > Even that original “expert” will be discredited by the next > > > expert, who will shred that book, tear it apart, and claim to be right > > > about it. Now, the smart person poster who read the first book? And > > > told you how wrong you were because of the book he read? Well he too > > > has dropped that first book as “rubbish” now in favor of the new > > > author, who gets some things wrong as well. But does he apologize? > > > Hell no, people like that never apologize. They are never wrong about > > > anything. > > > > And why is it that people , when they are right, have to be such > > > jerks about it? Too many people do that. “not only are you wrong, > > > but here is a searing insult to go with it to really make it > > > sting” (Why in the hell do I do that?) Why do you? The smartest > > > people can be the meanest. And what does that say about their > > > character? Do the well informed get to get away with it? Is > > > knowledge more valued than character around here? Not in my book, > > > maybe in yours. Oh, there are the people with actual wisdom, that > > > don’t do these nasty things, but there are so few of those. They > > > just say wise things, because they think they are right too, some of > > > which is wrong. Just a smaller percentage is all. The world is a > > > very complex place and it might not be possible to be totally correct > > > and be a human being.. > > > > So what do we do? Well I am going to set a new standard, I am going > > > to be wrong all the time. Just to try it out and set an example. Like > > > right there, see how easy that was? There is only one thing wrong > > > with “wrong.” (which I feel is an improvement) but naturally none of > > > this is correct. You could tear it apart, like a dog with a paper > > > towel roll, but then you would be proving my point by setting examples > > > of how right you need to be before everyone’s eyes! Go ahead, make > > > my day. > > > > There are so many smug, arrogant people in the world! It is simply > > > astounding. Just listen to us! Can’t you hear it? They all think they > > > are right, or have the golden truth, the mystical knowledge, and the > > > pure wisdom to offer us; the less fortunate. Not only that, but we > > > often have it beaten into us by a know-it-all with a meat cleaver. > > > Well, they are all wrong about something. But the most dangerous > > > thing is that the smarter you think you are, the less you are likely > > > to admit being wrong. Look around, make a count. I rest my case. But > > > nobody likes being wrong. It is the single most powerful driving > > > force of all human beings if I am not mistaken, which of course I > > > am. Why do we read? To become more righteous of course! We want to > > > be smart. So we can tell other people about stuff and correct them > > > when they are wrong! Show them how smart we are! What other possible > > > reason is there? (there are several….and I am wrong about that point > > > in many other ways too, but that does not stop me, nor you from this > > > drive to get smarter and “informed” so you can tell more people they > > > are wrong) > > > > Only the idiots admit being wrong. And only because they are > > > quickly pounded into submission by the more informed, with a snooty > > > tone that only the smug can deliver, but the idiots can’t wait until > > > they have something that they are right about so they can pound that > > > nail in the head of somebody beneath them. Look at most any post in > > > any forum and tell me what you see. I see somebody who thinks they > > > are right, and the other is wrong. It is virtually every single > > > post. (there I go again!) Well that obviously can’t be true, because > > > most of the posts oppose each other! And even if they are not saying > > > they are right, they are offering their opinions of which they are > > > “selling” as right. Like I do. What pompous, arrogant, smug jerks > > > we all are. Each and every one of us. Especially me, for writing a > > > post like this. This is one hard to top, but keep reading, it gets > > > even better. > > > > If people were really honest, they would turn their heads from > > > their computer screens right now and puke their guts out in self > > > disgust in light of this horrible realization. But of course none of > > > you will. Which proves my point with such indisputable precision that > > > it can’t be wrong, even though it clearly is. The intellectuals have > > > already stopped reading this post or discarded everything said in it > > > as being drivel, and are composing their wicked reply as you read, > > > further proving my point. You know what would be ironic? If a so > > > often wrong person > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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