Ahh yes that is what I though your stance was Chris. Allan, I would say (as in fact I did elsewhere) that the bigger problem is the employer that takes the piss out of these people.
On 19 Aug, 07:40, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > In a way that is very true, My quest comes from the perspective of the > illegal immigrant. As near as I can figure out my family just appeared in > the US around 1759 but there is no record of how they got there. Which by > todays standards would qualify them as illegal immigrants. > > Why not make it so the employers who hire them under the table make them > collect the taxes and pay for the social services and medical care? They can > with hold the necessary taxes. Gosh I forgot then they mght as well pay > regular wages wouldn't they. > > Who is really creating the problem the employer or the immigrant? > Allan > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Chris Jenkins > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > My stance on illegal immigration is as follows: > > If there were no governments, no established organizations which extract > > from their citizens in the form of taxes, and return to the citizens in the > > form of services, then this would be a moot point. Boundaries would be > > meaningless, and we would all be free to travel as we please. However, > > that's not the world we live in. > > > Social services are paid for by our taxes, both directly and indirectly. > > This includes emergency services, law enforcement, education, community food > > banks and other social support networks, etc. Illegal immigrants do not pay > > into this system; they work under the table jobs, which earn an untaxed > > wage, and only benefit from the system. Additionally, in these illegal jobs, > > they are often underpaid, are not afforded labor protections, and are > > subjected to much higher risks without the recourse of a legal immigrant. > > > As the size of the illegal population grows, the remainder of the > > population must carry the load on the tax system which is caused by those > > who are not playing by the rules. My solution is to grant full amnesty and a > > working visa to all illegal immigrants currently in the country, vastly > > increase the fines to corporations who benefit from illegal labor, and > > convert existing illegal jobs into legal jobs. In this way, the illegal > > immigrants would be legitimized, and would be paying their fair share for > > the services they receive. > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> Okay Chris > >> I'm listening, have never decide sometimes I am one way some times > >> another > >> wishy washy I think is called. > >> Allan > > >> -- > >> ( > >> ) > >> I_D Allan > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
