Indeed, but that still does not mean that employers should be able to treat immigrantes to a lesser wage and worst working conditions.
On 19 Aug, 14:43, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > Allan, I would say (as in fact I did elsewhere) that the bigger > problem is the employer that takes the piss out of these people. > > The fact is if the environment wasn't better here in the USA then where they > came from they wouldn't be here and they wouldn't stay. Indeed, I've read > since the recession began illegal immigration has drastically decreased. > Amnesty has merit but it is a dirty political word. This makes it unlikely > to pass. Perhaps if it's bundled with corporate tax cuts more conservatives > would vote for it. I know I would. > > dj > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 5:09 AM, [email protected] < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Ahh yes that is what I though your stance was Chris. > > > Allan, I would say (as in fact I did elsewhere) that the bigger > > problem is the employer that takes the piss out of these people. > > > On 19 Aug, 07:40, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > In a way that is very true, My quest comes from the perspective of the > > > illegal immigrant. As near as I can figure out my family just appeared in > > > the US around 1759 but there is no record of how they got there. Which > > by > > > todays standards would qualify them as illegal immigrants. > > > > Why not make it so the employers who hire them under the table make them > > > collect the taxes and pay for the social services and medical care? They > > can > > > with hold the necessary taxes. Gosh I forgot then they mght as well pay > > > regular wages wouldn't they. > > > > Who is really creating the problem the employer or the immigrant? > > > Allan > > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Chris Jenkins > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > My stance on illegal immigration is as follows: > > > > If there were no governments, no established organizations which > > extract > > > > from their citizens in the form of taxes, and return to the citizens in > > the > > > > form of services, then this would be a moot point. Boundaries would be > > > > meaningless, and we would all be free to travel as we please. However, > > > > that's not the world we live in. > > > > > Social services are paid for by our taxes, both directly and > > indirectly. > > > > This includes emergency services, law enforcement, education, community > > food > > > > banks and other social support networks, etc. Illegal immigrants do not > > pay > > > > into this system; they work under the table jobs, which earn an untaxed > > > > wage, and only benefit from the system. Additionally, in these illegal > > jobs, > > > > they are often underpaid, are not afforded labor protections, and are > > > > subjected to much higher risks without the recourse of a legal > > immigrant. > > > > > As the size of the illegal population grows, the remainder of the > > > > population must carry the load on the tax system which is caused by > > those > > > > who are not playing by the rules. My solution is to grant full amnesty > > and a > > > > working visa to all illegal immigrants currently in the country, vastly > > > > increase the fines to corporations who benefit from illegal labor, and > > > > convert existing illegal jobs into legal jobs. In this way, the illegal > > > > immigrants would be legitimized, and would be paying their fair share > > for > > > > the services they receive. > > > > > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:47 PM, iam deheretic <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > >> Okay Chris > > > >> I'm listening, have never decide sometimes I am one way some times > > > >> another > > > >> wishy washy I think is called. > > > >> Allan > > > > >> -- > > > >> ( > > > >> ) > > > >> I_D Allan > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
