On 21 Aug, 12:57, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
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> On 21 Aug, 12:41, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On 21 Aug, 12:05, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > On the way to work this moring I was pondering over a thing with the
> > > intent of bringing it up here.  Then of course I got into work and
> > > promptly forgot all about it.
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> > > However when Pat said this:
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> > > 'The history of our world is littered with good 'bad examples', yet we
> > > never see them as such and, so, are doomed to repeat them until we
> > > sort out our perspectives.'
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> > > In the 'What is fair?' thread, it brought it all back to me, so first
> > > off, cheers for that Pat.
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> >     No worries.  Synchronicity is a speciality of mine.  ;-)
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> > > Our history is rich with examples of one culture or one religoin
> > > invadeing the terriotory of another country in order to bring their
> > > own form of 'order' to that place.  Think British Empire, think
> > > crusades, think Tibet.
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> > > So is this ethicaly sound, and is there then any differance between
> > > these examples and our troops in Afganistan?
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> > The main difference is time.  The TRUTH is that we're all in this
> > (world) together and it would behoove us (all!) if we 'grew up' and
> > realised that.  Some people view their desires as more important than
> > those of others.  So, rather than trying to seek out a way for all
> > parties' desires to be striven for, those with a technological
> > advantage, step on those without it and force their desires on the
> > others without consideration (might makes right).  This is done by
> > selfish/self-important, callous individuals who MAY also have a form
> > of occult low self esteem veiled by an outward projection of arrogance
> > (usually seen by others as false or baseless arrogance).  A good dose
> > of empathy is the cure, but, unfortunately, it doesn't come in a
> > tablet, capsule or injectible form.  Rather, it requires humility,
> > which to the individual with an occult low self esteem, appears to be
> > too big of a price to pay, as it requires themselves to humble
> > themselves when they would rather be seen as 'on high'.  It was to
> > this way of thinking that Jesus appealed to us by saying, "...those
> > who would be last will be first and the first last".  Thus the true
> > servant of God is a servant to all humanity, rather than attempting to
> > be the Lord of all humanity.  It is for this reason that Islam
> > endeavours to instruct its adherents to be 'slaves of Allah', i.e.,
> > servants of God.  The term 'slave of Allah' is intended to be a great
> > compliment, but many non-Muslims don't understand it and take offense
> > at the term 'slave', not realising its intention as 'willing servant'.
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> We are told a similar thing in Sikhi Pat.  We should endevour to hand
> our heads to Guru ji.

In fact, The Guru Granth Sahib put it very metaphorically in the
phrase:

"Purify what is impure, and let the Lord's Presence be your religious
tradition. Let your total awareness be the turban on your head."
(Ang 1084)


If we really HAD total awareness, I have a sneaking suspicion that
many people would find the rush of humility too much to bear.
Purifying that which is impure MUST NEEDS begin with the Self.  Thus
the indication to "remove the beam from our own eye before pointing
out the mote in (another's)."

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