On 21 Aug, 13:22, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
> Lee, Pat is the Sadhu who makes the Sangat a Satsang !
>
> Constant hearing and contemplation of the quotes he reminds us of are
> purifying indeed. So, I find.
>
Oh dear! It seems my wisdom retreat has been worthwhile,
then. ;-) I have been living more of a Sadhu's life than I used to,
that's for sure. But, I think, before I take up a truly wandering
life, I'd like to make the obligatory pilgrimage to Petra (the REAL
Mt. Sinai!). I have been told that this is my last time around,
though.
> On Aug 21, 5:10 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On 21 Aug, 12:57, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
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> > > On 21 Aug, 12:41, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > On 21 Aug, 12:05, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On the way to work this moring I was pondering over a thing with the
> > > > > intent of bringing it up here. Then of course I got into work and
> > > > > promptly forgot all about it.
>
> > > > > However when Pat said this:
>
> > > > > 'The history of our world is littered with good 'bad examples', yet we
> > > > > never see them as such and, so, are doomed to repeat them until we
> > > > > sort out our perspectives.'
>
> > > > > In the 'What is fair?' thread, it brought it all back to me, so first
> > > > > off, cheers for that Pat.
>
> > > > No worries. Synchronicity is a speciality of mine. ;-)
>
> > > > > Our history is rich with examples of one culture or one religoin
> > > > > invadeing the terriotory of another country in order to bring their
> > > > > own form of 'order' to that place. Think British Empire, think
> > > > > crusades, think Tibet.
>
> > > > > So is this ethicaly sound, and is there then any differance between
> > > > > these examples and our troops in Afganistan?
>
> > > > The main difference is time. The TRUTH is that we're all in this
> > > > (world) together and it would behoove us (all!) if we 'grew up' and
> > > > realised that. Some people view their desires as more important than
> > > > those of others. So, rather than trying to seek out a way for all
> > > > parties' desires to be striven for, those with a technological
> > > > advantage, step on those without it and force their desires on the
> > > > others without consideration (might makes right). This is done by
> > > > selfish/self-important, callous individuals who MAY also have a form
> > > > of occult low self esteem veiled by an outward projection of arrogance
> > > > (usually seen by others as false or baseless arrogance). A good dose
> > > > of empathy is the cure, but, unfortunately, it doesn't come in a
> > > > tablet, capsule or injectible form. Rather, it requires humility,
> > > > which to the individual with an occult low self esteem, appears to be
> > > > too big of a price to pay, as it requires themselves to humble
> > > > themselves when they would rather be seen as 'on high'. It was to
> > > > this way of thinking that Jesus appealed to us by saying, "...those
> > > > who would be last will be first and the first last". Thus the true
> > > > servant of God is a servant to all humanity, rather than attempting to
> > > > be the Lord of all humanity. It is for this reason that Islam
> > > > endeavours to instruct its adherents to be 'slaves of Allah', i.e.,
> > > > servants of God. The term 'slave of Allah' is intended to be a great
> > > > compliment, but many non-Muslims don't understand it and take offense
> > > > at the term 'slave', not realising its intention as 'willing servant'.
>
> > > We are told a similar thing in Sikhi Pat. We should endevour to hand
> > > our heads to Guru ji.
>
> > In fact, The Guru Granth Sahib put it very metaphorically in the
> > phrase:
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> > "Purify what is impure, and let the Lord's Presence be your religious
> > tradition. Let your total awareness be the turban on your head."
> > (Ang 1084)
>
> > If we really HAD total awareness, I have a sneaking suspicion that
> > many people would find the rush of humility too much to bear.
> > Purifying that which is impure MUST NEEDS begin with the Self. Thus
> > the indication to "remove the beam from our own eye before pointing
> > out the mote in (another's)."
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