On Aug 21, 11:31 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> No, biologists do not say a mated pair is one organism. That would be an
> utterly UNscientific thing to say, as there are clearly TWO organisms
> present, mating, one male, one female.
Exactly my my thinking, when I think like a 21st century pagan. Of
course I believe the 'one flesh' doctrine, but seek to understand it,
and was hoping there was a pagan from an older tradition out there who
is of the "one flesh" not "two flesh" doctrine to help me along.

> Feel free to have whatever faith you have, but PLEASE don't start trying to
> mix science into it. Especially if you think it is a " fact that the human
> mammal is an embodied person (not a spirit using a body) and we arrive at
> the "one flesh" doctrine in Mark 10:18."


> A. There has never, ever, in the history of science, been such a thing
> proven as a spirit or soul. Feel free to believe in them if you like, but
> it's not something any legitimate biologist would say.

We look around and notice there are living and nonliving things. What
is the cause of this observed difference? Let us call it 'soul'. If at
that point our 'legitimate biologist' want to ignore the formal cause
of the observed difference, and study the parts of the organism in
isolation, he is welcome to it. But unscientific? Why would you say
that?


> B. Human mammal as embodied person? What are you talking about?
Well, you are a mammal, right? And you are a person, right? So are you
two entities -- personal entity using a body? Or one entity: an
embodied person?



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