On Aug 23, 9:33 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Alan Wostenberg <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > A. There has never, ever, in the history of science, been such a thing
> > > proven as a spirit or soul. Feel free to believe in them if you like, but
> > > it's not something any legitimate biologist would say.
>
> > We look around and notice there are living and nonliving things. What
> > is the cause of this observed difference? Let us call it 'soul'. If at
> > that point our 'legitimate biologist' want to ignore the formal cause
> > of the observed difference, and study the parts of the organism in
> > isolation, he is welcome to it. But unscientific? Why would you say
> > that?
>
> First, why would we call the difference between life and non-life soul, when
> there is an established scientific principle that life rises from
> organization?
Established established principle that life arises from organization?
No, that is the stipulation of reductionism.
> You completely throw out all of science to make that leap to
> begin with.
I begin in observation. I look around, I notice there are living and
nonliving things. What is the cause of this observed difference?
let us call it the X factor. Don't go all atheist crazy over this term
soul; it is not what you think it is.
>Then you make an error in scientific thought to state that this
> is ignoring a "formal cause of the observed difference"...not at all! The
> entire discipline of origins science is based on that observed difference,
> and never once has a "soul" been offered in origins science as an
> explanation.
Reductionist science is based on a certain way of studying this
difference -- of breaking the whole into parts, studying the parts,
ignoring the whole. They are welcome to that line of inquiry. It will
of course miss any effects of the X factor, defined to be the cause of
the observed difference between living and nonliving things.
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