On Aug 22, 6:12 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
> Part of the recently published work of Dr. Bruce Lipton, a
> microbiologist whose cellular research has been ongoing for a
> generation, tells us that how we see the world, our internal
> environment as colored by our emotions, thoughts, perceptions, effects
> our cellular function and has now proven to actually change our DNA
> structures. Within families, as values and perceptions can be shared,
> similar DNA patterns are also shared, even in families with adopted
> children, whose families of origin are different.
>
> I think that the paradigms and parameters of science are changing.
> "of one body" may be a call of each of us to balance the masculine and
> feminine within us. It may be a call to the ancient tradition of
> Alchemical Marriage, or blending of spirit of the couple. It may be
> an understanding that a marrital union inevitably leads us to sharing
> on the most fundamental (DNA) levels.
"alchemical marriage" -- nice turn of phrase -- puts a meaning to "the
two shall become one flesh". Thanks.
> On Aug 22, 2:01 am, Alan Wostenberg <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > And that is the 20th century pagan view -- that "we share without
> > blending", in contrast to the Christian view and what I suspect is the
> > modern scientific view that "the two become one flesh". For when
> > Grisez says "intercourse... makes the copulating male and female one
> > organism" he is speaking of mammals in general. As a matter of
> > science, do biologists say the mated pair is one organism?
>
> > If that is true, we add the fact that the human mammal is an embodied
> > person (not a spirit using a body) and we arrive at the "one flesh"
> > doctrine in Mark 10:18.
>
> > On Aug 21, 9:58 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > And is that problematic? Khalil Ghibran recommended that, suggesting that
> > > love partners be as two candles who share their light, without blending
> > > it.
> > > Welcome, BJ. My best friend in the whole world has a very degenerative
> > > case
> > > of MS, which is what started me off as an activist for medical cannabis.
>
> > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 12:37 AM, bjdowling <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Hi, I have multiple schlerosis and was diagnosed in 1998. The form
> > > > this disease takes in me is great physical pain, amongst other
> > > > things. the point is that though my husband is sympathic to some
> > > > degree, he cannot possible experience the thing I always live with, no
> > > > matter how much he loves me. We are not one flesh, but two.
>
> > > > On Aug 22, 12:17 am, Alan Wostenberg <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > "and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but
> > > > > one." - Mark 10:18
>
> > > > > As a married Catholic I believe this "one flesh". I just don't
> > > > > understand it. Until last week I thought it was poetic language, but
> > > > > when I read the below by Germain Grisez, I realize I was thinking the
> > > > > past two decades like an atheist:
>
> > > > > "Though a male and a female are complete individuals with respect to
> > > > > other functions—for example, nutrition, sensation, and locomotion—with
> > > > > respect to reproduction they are only potential parts of a mated pair,
> > > > > which is the complete organism capable of reproducing sexually. Even
> > > > > if the mated pair is sterile, intercourse, provided it is the
> > > > > reproductive behavior characteristic of the species, makes the
> > > > > copulating male and female one organism."
>
> > > > > But I don't want to assume I was thinking like an pagan. Perhaps
> > > > > you're saying "of course I am one flesh with my spouse; what could be
> > > > > more natural?". Could you who believe you are literally "one flesh"
> > > > > shed light for this poor Catholic?
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