This probably has a simple answer, but what if somebody wants something because they know it is perceived as bad?
On Aug 24, 7:23 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 24 Aug, 11:22, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Ahhhh well I guess then that cultural morality, and the question of > > history and whether or not it is ethical to invade another land in > > order to bring about the type of change ones own culture says is GOOD > > is not as intersting as music. Well honestly yes I can see why. ;¬) > > This brings up an old question: Is it that one desires something > because one perceives it as good or does one perceive something as > good because one desires it? Most people would instinctively state > the former...proving the latter. ;-) > > > > > On 21 Aug, 14:50, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 21 Aug, 13:55, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The idea that humility is the basis of grace is, I think, wonderful. > > > > I have personally known several public officials who have taken a > > > > great deal of flack and criticism over the years, yet know them to be > > > > humble, loving people with empathy for others central to their > > > > actions. I wonder at the nature of our need for criticism, perhaps it > > > > is driven, as you suggest, from occult low self esteem. Roger Ebert, > > > > the movie critic, is one I have watched over the years and enjoyed > > > > even though he can be caustic and bend toward the popular at times. > > > > Because of a recent bout with throat cancer, he continues his work as > > > > a writer with a wonderful blog. He posted recently that very few > > > > people under 50 read the movie reviews and it is becoming a dying > > > > trade. It got me to thinking who wonderful life might be without > > > > critics - which of course, does not include integrated discernment and > > > > positive feedback. That everybody wins spirit can be hard to find. > > > > It's hard to find because it's not imbued into us as children. If > > > we taught that we are all in this together and were shown through > > > example how we all can benefit, it would be a lot easier to find. > > > Rather, we're taught how to compete and beat each other; so we grow up > > > and fight and kill one another. Garbage in, garbage out. If we are > > > to make that next evolutionary leap, we need to understand some home > > > truths, but those truths upset the paradigm of fat and happy cats and > > > those cats were taught to perceive others as competitors rather than > > > brethren. > > > > > On Aug 21, 7:41 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 21 Aug, 12:05, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On the way to work this moring I was pondering over a thing with the > > > > > > intent of bringing it up here. Then of course I got into work and > > > > > > promptly forgot all about it. > > > > > > > However when Pat said this: > > > > > > > 'The history of our world is littered with good 'bad examples', yet > > > > > > we > > > > > > never see them as such and, so, are doomed to repeat them until we > > > > > > sort out our perspectives.' > > > > > > > In the 'What is fair?' thread, it brought it all back to me, so > > > > > > first > > > > > > off, cheers for that Pat. > > > > > > No worries. Synchronicity is a speciality of mine. ;-) > > > > > > > Our history is rich with examples of one culture or one religoin > > > > > > invadeing the terriotory of another country in order to bring their > > > > > > own form of 'order' to that place. Think British Empire, think > > > > > > crusades, think Tibet. > > > > > > > So is this ethicaly sound, and is there then any differance between > > > > > > these examples and our troops in Afganistan? > > > > > > The main difference is time. The TRUTH is that we're all in this > > > > > (world) together and it would behoove us (all!) if we 'grew up' and > > > > > realised that. Some people view their desires as more important than > > > > > those of others. So, rather than trying to seek out a way for all > > > > > parties' desires to be striven for, those with a technological > > > > > advantage, step on those without it and force their desires on the > > > > > others without consideration (might makes right). This is done by > > > > > selfish/self-important, callous individuals who MAY also have a form > > > > > of occult low self esteem veiled by an outward projection of arrogance > > > > > (usually seen by others as false or baseless arrogance). A good dose > > > > > of empathy is the cure, but, unfortunately, it doesn't come in a > > > > > tablet, capsule or injectible form. Rather, it requires humility, > > > > > which to the individual with an occult low self esteem, appears to be > > > > > too big of a price to pay, as it requires themselves to humble > > > > > themselves when they would rather be seen as 'on high'. It was to > > > > > this way of thinking that Jesus appealed to us by saying, "...those > > > > > who would be last will be first and the first last". Thus the true > > > > > servant of God is a servant to all humanity, rather than attempting to > > > > > be the Lord of all humanity. It is for this reason that Islam > > > > > endeavours to instruct its adherents to be 'slaves of Allah', i.e., > > > > > servants of God. The term 'slave of Allah' is intended to be a great > > > > > compliment, but many non-Muslims don't understand it and take offense > > > > > at the term 'slave', not realising its intention as 'willing > > > > > servant'.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
