“…Nothing we do is done 'by choice'. We are compelled by our nature and will act according to how our nature overlaps with the given set of stimuli….” – Pat
So Pat, help me out here…how does this form of teleology fit into the workings of a multi-dimensional space? …..in 3 sentences or less!!! ;-) Oh, well, if you must……go ahead….. On Aug 25, 6:44 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 25 Aug, 13:38, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > Rather, what a person perceives as defining their character leads them > > > to certain acts. If you accept the sexuality argument, the same logic > > > applies to any other part of one's nature. > > > I'm not sure that logicly follows Pat. Ones sexuality is not a choice > > as far as I can see, but to commit violence or not even if it is in > > ones nature to do so, well we can still choose to perform that action > > or not. Or put another way. > > Whilst I understand what you mean, I can't agree. That is, it is, > given MY nature, impossible for me to agree. Nothing we do is done > 'by choice'. We are compelled by our nature and will act according to > how our nature overlaps with the given set of stimuli. I strongly > suggest that, given exactly the same stimulus, Clyde Barrow and I > would react vastly differently. > > > I can if I so choose commit buggery with another bloke, that is the > > choice I have made, it does not change my sexual orinatation, heh > > unless of course I re-commit such an act over and over and over > > again. Then I guess you would declare that my true sexual orientation > > merely took some time to surface. > > Not necessarily. There could be a gun to your head each time and > you are buggering, as it were, for your life and it has nothing to do > with one's sexuality. > > > Yet if I percived that I am heterosexual, you say that I would never > > commit bugger with another man? > > Unless there's a gun to your head or some other stimulus that > temporarily overrides your sexuality nature by the drive to survive > (or protect loved ones, etc.). We don't read the lines until they've > been drawn. > > > > If you bullied your siblings, then there must have been a cause for > > > that. And THAT cause was what made you a bully. You demonstrated that > > > you had discovered the bully within by, then, bullying your siblings. > > > There MUST have been a mental 'adjustment' prior to your first act of > > > bullying. > > > But you suggested early that the reason for the bullying to stop was > > because essentialy it was not part of my nature. However above we > > have ones perception of themselves leads to performing certian acts. > > Therefore how do we tell what is a fales percpetion and what a part of > > true nature of the individual? On the surface Pat I see no real > > differance and virtualy no way to tell them apart. > > Thus the importance of reflection. What I suggested as the reason for > your stopping bullying, though, was based on a profound lack of > knowledge about you, your siblings and the situations at the time. I > would also suggest that sibling rivalry as encoded into us all played > a much larger role than previously (as it was never) mentioned. > Discovering our true nature is, for each of us, the 'Great Work' or > 'Magnum Opus' of the magician/magus and it's no easy task, for sure. > The vast majority of us humans are mostly unaware of our true nature. > And it takes a great deal of internal work to discover it. But it's > invaluable. Through it, we can suppose what might happen if we acted > in a given way. We can pit those results against our set of > 'preferred/desired outcomes' and formulate the causes for what action > we will take. Imagine how much more difficult it would be to discover > one's true nature if one had no memory of previous actions. Then note > that there are some people who lose memory and are in just that kind > of situation. One thing's for sure, though, no one ELSE is required > when determining one's own true nature, as it represents our > relationship to God/the One and not our more tenuous relationships > with 'others'. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
