given the myriad opportunities to spend time on this earth available to us, if trolling is chosen, Houston, we have a problem.
On Aug 25, 12:13 pm, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > Of course there also exists the possibilty that some trolls are not > mentaly ill and just get their jollys from stiring things up. > > On 25 Aug, 17:00, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I am not sure you can separate the two in the engagement. If we are > > getting something out of engaging the trolls, we are getting something > > out of engaging people who do not understand their own behavior, who > > are only driven by whatever illness causes the obsession with > > disruption and negative attention seeking. Something to consider. > > > I am not disagreeing with your assessment that everything that comes > > into the group dynamic can change the group and give the participants > > insights. But I do think that the entrance of a troll presents > > barriers to cohesive group dynamics that can kill a group if gone > > unchecked, hence the need for moderation. > > > One of my favorite all time novels is Goethe's "Elective > > Affinities."http://books.google.com/books?id=08h1XftFOlYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=... > > > It really speaks to the group dynamic and how we are all changed by > > each member of the group. > > > On Aug 25, 11:22 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I wasn't thinking so much of the trolls themselves, Molly, as the rest > > > of us here. Even in the attenuated virtual world of ME, there are > > > group processes going on, with encounters and developing > > > relationships, as well as developing insights. A more complex group > > > environment, as occours when obstacles crop up or, probably better, > > > tension points coalesce, can have positive results. Like > > > synchronicity, serendipity is also a state-option never far away. > > > > We can learn from everything ... > > > > Francis > > > > On 25 Aug., 16:53, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Good in what way? If these people are acting out as part of their > > > > psychodrama, attention seeking and purposefully disruptive to satisfy > > > > an obsession for negative attention, is it "good" to engage them in > > > > ways that demean them? I find it cruel. They often set themselves up > > > > in right or wrong scenarios so that they can fell persecuted and > > > > injured. Is it good to give that to them? Or were you thinking that > > > > it is good for you to engage now and then in controversy? The dance > > > > of opposition can be invigorating, allowing us to feel the full gambit > > > > of emotion. I think we can do this with folks that have a better > > > > understanding what is occurring for both parties in the exchange, and > > > > leave the trolls to find a place more conducive to finding some real > > > > good or help for their condition. > > > > > On Aug 25, 10:40 am, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The interesting thing is, Molly, that it isn't all bad (as > > > > > Frank'n'furter remarked to Jannette in the Rocky Horror Picture Show, > > > > > after she'd been unfaithful to Brad with him :-)) > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVv9GjTXJ2A&feature=related > > > > > > The passing of a troll through the waters of ME leaves all sorts of > > > > > new counter-currents and unexpected eddies and in such circumstances > > > > > creative and positive things can (and do) happen. I've used the > > > > > analogy (even if scientific accuracy forces me to sadly admit that it > > > > > has no basis in fact) of the grain of sand in the oyster. Despite the > > > > > increased stress and frustration, shaking us up a bit can also be > > > > > good. > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > On 25 Aug., 15:42, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > An interesting study in humanity, here in the Internet forums, isn't > > > > > > it Jim? Not only do we learn about ourselves, some of the brilliant > > > > > > ideas of our world, but also the aspects of human nature that may > > > > > > have > > > > > > been hidden before. > > > > > > > I once had an internship as part of a class with a suicide hotline. > > > > > > In the five day training, we were told that most of the callers do > > > > > > not > > > > > > have suicide intentions, but have other mental health problems that > > > > > > lead them to continuously call the hotline. The program developed a > > > > > > policy where these callers were allowed to call once in a 4 hour > > > > > > period (a working shift) and there were those callers that always > > > > > > exceeded the guidelines, and made a game of intrigue out of trying. > > > > > > The philosophy of the program in accepting these calls was that it > > > > > > is > > > > > > a service to the community, to give these folks an outlet to talk to > > > > > > someone, and the families some relief in the overwhelming duty of > > > > > > caring for them, some break or downtime in their attention to them. > > > > > > > My gut feeling is that these are the Internet trolls that play with > > > > > > the forums. They run the spectrum of intelligence, indeed, some are > > > > > > highly intelligent, but have a borderline social functionality for > > > > > > other reasons. The best we can do, and I think this group does a > > > > > > pretty good job of it, is express compassion and let the mods > > > > > > provide > > > > > > enough filter so that they are not disruptive to the group. It is > > > > > > not > > > > > > easy to see them coming sometimes, the eventually the signs surface, > > > > > > and then we can, as compassionately as possible, establish the > > > > > > boundaries. These folks look for flame wars to enter, pouncing on > > > > > > signs of controversy and disrespect. The flame goes up when we > > > > > > react > > > > > > to their bait. Let's not give it to them. > > > > > > > On Aug 25, 9:28 am, retiredjim34 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Fran - oh. It was? damn. Jim > > > > > > > > On Aug 24, 4:41 am, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just got a private mail from e_space, congratulating me on > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > taken a more aggressive atitutude towards the mods. > > > > > > > > > As I explained to him in a private mail, I now reiterate in the > > > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > forum lest, improbably, some readers may not have understood ... > > > > > > > > > People, it was satire, ok? > > > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > > On 24 Aug., 08:59, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Selected takes from Surveillance System 3BE-45 / [various > > > > > > > > > dates] / > > > > > > > > > rating: TS (Board members only) > > > > > > > > > > Mod#1: I’m worried about BB. He’s getting too close. > > > > > > > > > > Mod#2: You mean …? > > > > > > > > > > Mod#1: Yes, he may just be getting to a level where he starts > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > conceive suspicions about our true intent and purpose. > > > > > > > > > > Mod#2: The achievement of total and complete word domination? > > > > > > > > > > Mod#1: Precisely. This COULD become a new keith/Kevin attack. > > > > > > > > > > Mod#2: You mean, the longer you leave it, the worse it gets? > > > > > > > > > If that’s > > > > > > > > > the case, then we’d better do something soon – > > > > > > > > > > [Com unit blinks. A crackle of static.] > > > > > > > > > > FA#7: Field agent seven here. Mod#1, are you there? > > > > > > > > > > Mod#1: Go ahead, FA#7, communications secured … > > > > > > > > > > [short break – a new camera angle] > > > > > > > > > > FA#7: … and we’re just not succeeding in our attacks on him > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > various threads. We can’t seem to faze the guy … > > > > > > > > > > Mod#2: How do you know it’s a guy? > > > > > > > > > > FA#7: Oh … oh, I see. We need more concrete information in > > > > > > > > > order to … > > > > > > > > > > Mod#1: … in order to deal with this situation – in a more > > > > > > > > > permanent > > > > > > > > > manner … > > > > > > > > > > Mod#2: Quite! Nothing must be allowed to disturb our glorious > > > > > > > > > course > > > > > > > > > of world domination. The Dark Side WILL conquer! > > > > > > > > > > On 23 Aug., 23:11, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > There are many ways to look at this group. This is > > > > > > > > > > merely my dark > > > > > > > > > > version. I will give you the upbeat positive version when > > > > > > > > > > I am in > > > > > > > > > > that mood, should I survive. > > > > > > > > > > > There is a sickness lurking in this group. A stench > > > > > > > > > > fills the > > > > > > > > > > air. I might be alone in smelling it. A cancer has a > > > > > > > > > > foothold. A > > > > > > > > > > callous detachment, a resignation, the players separated > > > > > > > > > > into packs > > > > > > > > > > and lone individuals. The once human eyes roll back white, > > > > > > > > > > and when > > > > > > > > > > the attack is over, they roll forward to reveal their black > > > > > > > > > > , cold , > > > > > > > > > > unaffected stares. It is a prison yard, a shark tank. If > > > > > > > > > > only being > > > > > > > > > > wrong was not the ultimate horror of human beings. What a > > > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > > > world we would live in. > > > > > > > > > > > There is less and less risks taken in here, and who > > > > > > > > > > could blame > > > > > > > > > > them? There are those safe in the shadows, who only come > > > > > > > > > > out to feed > > > > > > > > > > when it is safe. Safety itself is now defined as back > > > > > > > > > > into self, > > > > > > > > > > where “I know and they don’t” rules supreme. I see this > > > > > > > > > > as a sad > > > > > > > > > > statement of resignation and worship of a false idol. An > > > > > > > > > > acceptance > > > > > > > > > > that this is the way of the world. Any attempts at > > > > > > > > > > engagement are too > > > > > > > > > > easily perceived as an assault or an attack, then what > > > > > > > > > > follows is > > > > > > > > > > the silent retreat back to the perception of safety and > > > > > > > > > > righteousness. Oh, the comfort of knowing and they don’t. > > > > > > > > > > > Another shank stabbing in the prison yard? “That is > > > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > happens” “he had it coming” “he should have known > > > > > > > > > > better” “You > > > > > > > > > > just don’t do that” “He was a fool to try that” “you > > > > > > > > > > don’t mess with > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
