Granted Chris I would feel the same, however what I mean is not their actions but your own. All the while denying your dad or son a home and as an extention a family to come and die with, would not your own action cause your heart to break?
Also can you answer the other questions Chris? These ones: I guess it would, but I further guess that you view the lesson as more important? What would be the point of carrying on such a lesson if the death of your dad or son was imminent? Would they take it as a lesson, or would they make presumptions about the depth of feeling you have for them I wonder? I hope you realise that these questions are not to dig you out in any way, but rather to understand your sense of morality as measured agianst your emotional and logical proceses? Perhaps you would like me to answer them first? On 26 Aug, 14:35, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > My heart would have broken when they first committed the crime, Lee. > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:04 AM, [email protected] < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > It may be some sorta culture thing going on there Chris but not to > > much I think. My dad has a similar outlook and so have I. I have > > learned some hard lessons about the consequences of your own actions > > and so have both of my boys, but lessons that I feel must be learnt. > > > I would ask though why you would choose this option Chris? Would it > > be for the lessons I have mentioned? Would your heart not break at > > the same time? I guess it would, but I further guess that you view > > the lesson as more important? > > > Okay this of course pre-empts what I presume your replies may be, but > > I would further ask what would be the point of carrying on such a > > lesson if the death of your dad or son was imminent? > > > Would they take it as a lesson, or would they make presumptions about > > the depth of feeling you have for them I wonder? > > > On 26 Aug, 13:24, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I vote to let my father or son die in prison. It's noteworthy, however, > > to add that when I had my own youthful run ins with the law, my father made > > sure I did not get to take advantage of an early release option well within > > his ability. > > > > He didn't think of it as revenge, he called it "dealing with the > > consequences of my actions". Is that really a culturally different > > perspective? > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:"[email protected]" < > > [email protected]>To:"\"Minds Eye\"" <[email protected]>Date:Wed, > > 26 Aug 2009 03:49:41 -0700 (PDT)Local:Wed 26 Aug 2009 11:49Subject:[Mind's > > Eye] Re: Scottish infamy > > > > Sorry sir I totaly disagree, lets measure up your one example against > > > what could be considerd the norm. A quick straw poll should suffice. > > > > So hands up all of those members here if caught up in the same > > > situation would like to see their father or son come home to die, and > > > hands up all of those who would not? > > > > On 26 Aug, 10:49, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > For sure, Lee, especially in consideration of the nature of these > > > > crimes, the heinous and monstrous intent. Not to mention the cultural > > > > aspect, as I pointed out earlier and provided a link, the Muslim > > > > family wants the teenage girl, (their own daughter) dead just on the > > > > basis of religious conversion. But your assumption in a case where > > > > that girl was in prison for a heinous crime would be that the family > > > > was suffering and felt punished and that it would be compassionate to > > > > let the girl out of prison, send her home to her family because she > > > > was terminally ill. Unreasonable assumption? Absolutely! > > > > > On Aug 26, 4:01 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Slip I have admited there is a bit of that about it, but as I have > > > > > asked you do you belive it is an 'unreasonable' assumption to make? > > > > > > On 26 Aug, 08:58, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Don, logically there is no basis for Lee's view. It's all based on > > > > > > assumptive reasoning. We don't know how these family members are > > > > > > feeling and cannot presume they are suffering or feeling punished > > by > > > > > > the incarceration or by society and again if al-megrahi lives > > through > > > > > > a whole year there is going to be some heads rolling. I saw one of > > > > > > the victims stating that her husband was supposed to die of cancer > > 5 > > > > > > years ago and he's still around. > > > > > > > On Aug 25, 11:43 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Why should the inocent be punished? -Lee > > > > > > > > They aren't punished. I don't doubt they suffer but it's > > incorrect to > > > > > > > say they are punished. They are, I suppose in a way, also > > victims of > > > > > > > their relative's actions. As I think Slip touched on earlier the > > only > > > > > > > person that owes these people something is the perpetrator of the > > > > > > > crime. Certainly I understand compassion for them. It doesn't > > make > > > > > > > me want to release a hardened criminal to make them feel better. > > > > > > > > I'm not sure how many of you took the time to read Tink's little > > bio. > > > > > > > What stood out for me is his attitude that his incarceration was > > > > > > > unjustified because his infractions were minimal. I saw a > > pattern of > > > > > > > 'poor me, I'm the victim.' This, in my admittedly limited > > experience, > > > > > > > seems a quite common attitude amongst convicts. Recidivism being > > what > > > > > > > it is I'd want to address this personality flaw were I the > > criminal > > > > > > > type. > > > > > > > > I'm just sayin' > > > > > > > > dj > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:10 AM, > > > > > > > > [email protected]<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> By your logic we should show compassion to a pair of murderers > > because > > > > > > > >> they are, lets say, orphans. Never mind they are orphans > > because they > > > > > > > >> murdered their parents for the inheritance. It would be > > hypocritical > > > > > > > >> of me to concern myself with HOW they became orphans, yes? > > The poor > > > > > > > >> dears deserve our sympathy. > > > > > > > > > Opps forgot to address this. > > > > > > > > > You assume dear boy that the compassion I speak of is to the > > man > > > > > > > > realsed, and yes there is some there, but I mean mostly his > > family. > > > > > > > > Why should the inocent be punished?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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