On 27 Aug, 16:42, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Yes speculation but also a true one bassed on experiance.
>
> Truely if I have more than three cups of coffee before miday, then
> before miday I shall pay a visit to the loo.
>
> It is true that this is speculation, but based on experiance, and it
> is true, I can garrentee it. So no matter how this knowldge of the
> future comes to me I do have it, I can really tell what will happen to
> me in the future. I do in fact have some 'access' rather then your
> stated no access.
>
So you keep fooling yourself.
> Come on my friend you can't really get away with making one
> declaration and then when shown how this may be wrong redefine the
> parameters of your belife now can you?
>
I haven't.
> Similar to 'Will'. You say then that I do not understand what will
> is, isn't that a claim along the same sort of lines? You redefining a
> word to fit your parameters? I seem to remember when we talked about
> will yesterday we had no such problems.
>
I have not redefined will. I understand it. I don't think you do,
based on what I've seen/heard. Yes, and thank you for yesterday. Had
it not been for yesterday's exchange, I wouldn't have seen how to
justify the Sabbath-related commandment. Cheers for that, Lee!!
> On 27 Aug, 15:17, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 27 Aug, 14:45, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > I agree. In other parts of the book, I explain that our lack of
> > > > TRUE free will is perfectly masked by the fact that we have no access
> > > > to the future. If we did, everyone would know I speak the truth.
> > > > Thus the line, "blessed are those who believe and have not seen." The
> > > > same logic applies here. The lack of access gives the perfect
> > > > appearance of free will and there no way to escape that appearance,
> > > > other than seeing the whole of space-time as a single unit. Einstein
> > > > saw it, but HE kept his mouth (mostly) shut. I refuse to keep my
> > > > mouth shut, though some people wish I would. ;-)
>
> > > Yet we do have some access to the future by dint of experiance. I
> > > know that If drink more that three cups of coffee in the morning by a
> > > little before midday I shall be in the tiolet. Does this count as
> > > knowledge of what shall happen in the future?
>
> > Not in the least. It is a clear example of speculation about the
> > future in the present based on past experience. It's one of those
> > acts that helps make us believe we have choices because we can
> > speculate about possible outcomes. But speculation is always done in
> > the present and it is based on the past.- Hide quoted text -
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