I guess you are correct Don, perhaps not for the reasons you invisage
though?

I can see what BB is talking about but he leaps from one point in the
debate to another without explianing why.
I can see the differances in our stances I would like to try to
understand why we have them, for that to happen I'm willing to explian
the reasoning behind my own yet when I ask for others to do the same,
I basicly get shouted at.  I don't mind that as long as part of the
shouting contians some form of explaination.

On 28 Aug, 12:11, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> It sounds to me like you'd like to see the elimination of commerce.  That is
> impossible.  Ever since the first caveman traded a dead rabbit for sexual
> favors we've had commerce and it is a part of society.  Everybody working
> together and sharing everything equally might work if everyone WAS equal.
> Some folks are harder workers, smarter, more knowledgeable, better looking
> and have better teeth then others.   Until we're all clones of one another
> we'll have commerce even if its some form of crude barter.  and we'll always
> want what others have.
>
> Ok, this question isn't even sarcastic.  I'm being serious.  How come I
> understand exactly what BB is talking about and others don't?  If I believed
> like R. Kennedy and Molly that most folks wanted to help everyone else I
> might go right along with socialism with the rest of you guys.  But I
> don't.  There's the rub.
>
> dj
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 5:28 AM, [email protected] <
>
>
>
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Can you prove that in order for such a system to work that people
> > > > would have to be forced to provied 'free stuff'?
>
> > > You have not provided even an inkling of a "system"  let alone me
> > > being able to prove anything against it.  You go ahead and show me how
> > > it works and I will show you the force.
>
> > Sorry BB that is not how it works.  Shall we remind ourselves what is
> > going on here?
>
> > I have given no system except to say lets ban money lets get rid of
> > the whole concept of it.  I have admited that it is merely an
> > idealsitic propersition and that I have no idea how to implement such
> > a system.  But here is the crux.  You claimed that such a system would
> > be unethical, I asked how so, you replied because it would force
> > people into give you 'free stuff'
>
> > My request to you is simply this, proove to me that such a system
> > would force people into giving you free stuff.  You said it, you must
> > belive it so show me why you belive it.  There is no question of my
> > needing to proove any thing to you, I made no claims whilst you
> > certianly have.
>
> > > > Yes it is a legal requirment here in the UK to ensure that your
> > > > children are educated.  I.E. If you let your child skip school you can
> > > > be prosecuted.
>
> > > Another lovely step taken in the "spirit" of the controlling state.
> > > Are students jailed for failing to graduate?  You might want to add
> > > that step next. And I think you should just force feed socialism and
> > > communism in the curriculum while you are at it, as it is obviously
> > > "correct" isn't it?  Of COURSE it is!  So why teach anything else?
> > > You need to control all those wrong thoughts. Don't even let those bad
> > > thoughts start.
>
> > Come on now, lets not start with the 'unreasonable' leaps of
> > sillyness.  Why would a legal requirment for parents to get their
> > children educated end in arrest for students who fail to graduate?
> > Get ahold of your temper man, and think about what you are putting
> > down in writting here.
>
> > >  Deciding what is best for others is best!  They don't "know" what is
> > > best for them.  Forced education of forced ideas!  What could be
> > > better than that?  It is what is good for all.
>
> > Again where did this rant come from, what is it's porpuse and it's
> > relevance to what we are talking about?- Hide quoted text -
>
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