On 7 Sep, 16:56, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> I suppose most of our experience of the why continuum has been
> disappointment - largely because it's been about manufacturing consent
> along Orn's lines - the human sciences have certainly played their
> part in this. There has been some focus on what gets 'hard-wired' in
> the brain, leading to the notion that religion is and that this
> togetherness is an evolutionary advantage. I tend to like notions of
> extra-human consciousness because I would prefer something better to
> tune into. I much prefer a world in which, told at the door of a New
> York restaurant in the 1960s that there was no admittance to women
> wearing trousers, Gillian Anscombe (a catholic philosopher with a
> clutch of kids) promptly removed hers, to a world of worthies who
> prosecute women for wearing them.
> 'Hard-wiring' is clearly something for biology to be looking at, but
> how has it come to Dawkin's black box to be ignored as irrational -
> itself an irrational, unexplored base for 'rational science'?
Dawkins is just a money-grubber. He has not offerred anything really
new to the argument and his faith is just as strong as those he
condemns. He may be bright but he still has a big propblem with
internal consistency, which, to me, makes most of his work yesterday's
rubbish dressed as haute-cuisine.
> Introspection has led me to know there is lots of hard-wiring in me I
> would rather do without, except in time-constrained moments of fight-
> flight and maybe some forms of enjoyment. I am still hard-wired
> against being attracted to black women (no doubt a great relief to
> them) and inclined to be attracted to white and Asian women and not
> men of any shade. I seem, these days, to have become hard-wired
> against advertising, cosmetics and commodity-fetishism - which are
> linked to disgust in me (such a link is proposed as a learning
> mechanism for hard-wiring). There is much 'false-consciousness' I
> would like to sweep away in order to have better environmental effects
> on what I can be (though we don't want a bunch of PC Nazis in charge
> of this). We could have a more virtuous circle of 'consciousness'. I
> was brought up in a false consciousness of hating Germans and Japanese
> and considerable other racism. I suspect it's Muslims these days. If
> we end up not being able to define consciousness I guess we get this
> about right - there are possibilities and probabilities. So how can I
> be so sure about false consciousness?
>
The ancient art of competition requires an opponent. This, in
itself, is self-destructive to a society once they've reached a
certain level of population. So, those with an 'ancient mindset'
would have us have enemies, so that we can beat them and feel better
for it. It is NOT a 'civilised' act or mode of thinking. It
encourages hatred and violence for no other reason thatn some parts of
society expect it of us (in order to prove our worth TO society). So,
we leave the homeless person to rot on the street, walk past them and
turn our heads to see what the 'Leader of the Free World' has said
lately. To God, both of those individuals (the homeless and the
leader) are equal participants in creation. It would behoove us all
if we would treat one another as true equals (with respect to right to
life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, etc.).
> On 7 Sep, 15:51, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 7 Sep, 15:12, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Tubulins are targets for anticancer drugs like Taxol and the "Vinca
> > > alkaloid" drugs such as vinblastine and vincristine. The anti-gout
> > > agent colchicine binds to tubulin and inhibits microtubule formation,
> > > arresting neutrophil motility and decreasing inflammation. The anti-
> > > fungal drug Griseofulvin targets mictotubule formation and has
> > > applications in cancer treatment. Visions of myself and Pat in
> > > bathchairs at the convalescent home for mad techno-speculants needing
> > > to finalise string theory to cure our gout! I should think I would
> > > concede my Kaliber Yawn theory that string theories are an illusion
> > > created by a lack of alcohol in such circumstances.
>
> > LOL!! Could well be. The last time I had a pint of ale, I was
> > sick as a dog. I just can't seem to tolerate alcohol anymore. I
> > suppose God is preparing me for a long dry spell. ;-)
>
> > > Arguments on life and consciousness seem to imply 'why' questions to
> > > me - perhaps necessitate them. Memory sort of links to a world of
> > > logical necessity (a view from Leibniz). I don't think this big - I'm
> > > more concerned we get on with better decision-making that is a
> > > contribution to an open society - without this we are cast into some
> > > kind of 'killing competition' even if we just leave it to evolution to
> > > wipe us out.
>
> > As I said, the fact that we exist in a continuum implies that the
> > system is teleological. Thus the need for our 'whys' to be answered.
> > I fear, though, that most of the answers will elude us while we're
> > incarnate.
>
> > > On 7 Sep, 11:01, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On 4 Sep, 22:02, sjewins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Also, as current as views like Simon’s are, “The product of the bio-
> > > > > > electric, electro-chemical energy in the brain. Like a burning
> > > > > > candle
> > > > > > produces heat, the brain produces consciousness.” - Simon
>
> > > > > > …saying that consciousness is bio-electrical and electro-chemical
> > > > > > energy, using an analogy as he did about a candle, is like saying
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > consciousness is the product of those trillions of cells that
> > > > > > Dennett
> > > > > > suggests is a ‘bag of tricks’!
>
> > > > > Well, it is by those methods that the brain functions. How else could
> > > > > consciousness arise if not from the functioning of the brain in the
> > > > > way that it functions?
>
> > > > > Do you think that consciousness arises from something disconnected
> > > > > from the brain? How would that work?
>
> > > > The nervous system contains a substance, tubulin, which creates a
> > > > quantum-scale interface to consciousness, which is actually contained
> > > > in the Calabi-Yau space. The brain forms the interface between that
> > > > consciousness-space and our space-time through our bodies. This, of
> > > > course, is given a string-theory paradigm, which is not proven
> > > > experimentally but is the only theory on paper that fills in (or has
> > > > the capability of filling in) all the blank areas in quantum mechanics
> > > > and the Standard theory.- Hide quoted text -
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