They may want to protect their frocks. :-)
On Sep 10, 6:23 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> No comment on prayer but I will say I've noticed women like to fight
> when they're half naked. Why is that?
>
> dj
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 12:25 PM, frantheman
>
>
>
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I'm taking the liberty of starting a new thread on this one, taking up
> > a theme which cropped up in the "Homage to Neil" thread as a result of
> > a half throw-away comment I made about my extreme skepticism about the
> > efficacy of prayer.
>
> > First, definitions:
> >http://freedictionary.org/?Query=prayer&button=Search
>
> > For an initial working model I'll take the following Webster [1913]
> > definition, "The act of addressing supplication to a divinity,
> > especially to the true God; the offering of adoration, confession,
> > supplication, and thanksgiving to the Supreme Being."
>
> > There are a number of aspects here which are - for believers -
> > relatively unproblematic; adoration, confession and thanksgiving. Even
> > from the point of view of a non-believer, I can accept the idea of
> > positive psychological feedback from such action, a kind of inner
> > positive loop which need not be dependent on the actual existence of
> > the deity being prayed to. The issue I want to address here is that of
> > prayer as supplication; asking God for something, requesting God to
> > influence specific outcomes of specific processes.
>
> > The major Abrahamic monotheistic systems all posit a God who is
> > omnipotent and omniscient and who is involved in an individual
> > personal relationship with all human beings (or, at least, those who
> > profess belief and commitment to him/her). To me, the idea that this
> > God would concretely intervene to change the course of events as a
> > result of a particular request by a believer seems to be riddled with
> > contradictions. Does God change his divine plan as a result of the
> > prayer? If, following the conventional religious models, God loves the
> > believer and directs things for his/her ultimate good, will he/she not
> > do this regardless of whether the believer prays or not?
>
> > And, while you're thinlking about this, a little musical
> > contribution :-)
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=He4NFXIKQkk
>
> > Francis- Hide quoted text -
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