People kill each other for many reasons so I think that yes we can claim that somebody who commits murder need not be suffering from mental health issues.
Yes you are correct, laws and social systems are important. The question though of whether or not a murderer should ever be offered re- intergration into society I guess depends on what your view of the job of the judical system is. Which is why I asked Slip to define justice for me. On 14 Sep, 13:44, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > I think that there are two different issues here. > > 1) Someone who has experienced mental health problems and recovered > (which may mean an ongoing regiment of medication) integrating back > into society > > and > > 2) Someone who has committed murder under any circumstances being > integrated back into society. Certainly, there is a wide variety of > circumstances, self defense, temporary insanity, ongoing mental health > issues. Can we say that someone who commits murder does not have a > mental health issue? > > I think that there are crimes like child sexual assault, murder, > rape...that indicate an extreme failure of an individual to safely > function in society and also indicate the need of society to establish > parameters that insure to some degree, safety for all. Of course, > forgiveness and compassion are important to our individual internal > environments. Laws and social systems that organize and protect > citizens are also important. > > On Sep 14, 8:23 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Justice, or vengance Slip? > > > What do you define justice as? > > > Normal life, in this context means a life as lived free of the > > symptoms of paranoid scizophrenia. That 'maybe 'should have read > > 'many', my applogies. > > > Yes I guess you don't have to agree with any law, you can break as > > many as you like, and then suffer the consequesnces. > > > Part of the way I try to live my life means that I always try to see > > things from the other side, to put myself in the shoes of others. I > > know if I had suffered mental health issues and was now medicated and > > in effect no longer ill, I would want the chance to work, to make for > > myself a life. Would you not want the same? > > > On 14 Sep, 13:04, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > To correct you, I am compassinate. That's it. <<Lee > > > > Ok, I stand corrected, you are just compassinate, that's it. > > > > Maybe scizorphincs can lead a normal life. >>Lee > > > > Yes, maybe scizorphincs can. > > > > Of course if someone else made that statement you would be the first > > > to break it down to clarification of "normal life". > > > > If our law makes provision for the state of mind during a crime, can > > > we do any less? >>Lee > > > > I don't make the laws and don't have to agree with them. > > > The case you present sounds more like judicial politics than justice. > > > > On Sep 14, 4:12 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Now now Slip, lets not start by telling lies about me huh. > > > > > To correct you, I am compassinate. That's it. > > > > > I'm not really worried about either to tell the truth, I know that > > > > scizorphincs canlead a normal life, and yes there is always the chance > > > > that this man may stop taking his medication and relaspe, but you know > > > > there is alsways the chance that anybody may full pray to deppresion > > > > and commit all many of awful acts, so if you are looking for a > > > > certianty, a risk free black cab driver, well you're just not going to > > > > get it. > > > > > To my mind the action of these black cab drivers speaks volumes on > > > > their ignorance of that particular mental illness, again I get that, I > > > > wish it was not like it, but alas it is, education sir is what I > > > > advocate. > > > > > Let us remind ourselves also that there is scope within the law for > > > > mental health issues. > > > > > Another little tale form the life of Lee for you. > > > > > I have told you before of my dad getting 'all stabbed up' when I was > > > > 16. During the court apperance of the bloke 'what did it' whilst my > > > > dad was in the witness box telling his side of the story it came out > > > > that after he had been stabbed in the wrist and the leg and then the > > > > chest, my dad asked the man 'wooh there, you don't really want to kill > > > > me do you'. It was right then that the bloke stabbed him in the neck. > > > > > Ultimatly the man got a two year suspended sentance(suspended also for > > > > two years). Why he lenancy? > > > > > The man was suffering from depression, his son had died just the week > > > > previouse to him stabbing my dad. > > > > > If our law makes provision for the state of mind during a crime, can > > > > we do any less? > > > > > On 11 Sep, 22:08, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I'm just hung on the "Killed His Wife" part, but knowing how > > > > > compassionate you are towards murderers, Lee, I can understand your > > > > > tendentious view. > > > > > > I'm sure that Black cab drivers have a legitimate complaint in that > > > > > many people will undoubtedly "avoid" hailing a cab with a black driver > > > > > as precautionary measure to being killed by a relapse of paranoid > > > > > schizophrenia. > > > > > > But of course your more worried about the schizoid murderer than the > > > > > black cab drivers. > > > > > > On Sep 11, 7:25 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Yesterday on our local London news I hear that thousands of black > > > > > > cab > > > > > > drivers intend to take to the streets to express their feelings of > > > > > > anger over a convicted murderer being given licence to take 'the > > > > > > knowledge' reqiured to allow him to become a black cab driver. > > > > > > > The man is a paraniod scizophrenic who killed his wife and has been > > > > > > held for 9 years before being given a clean bill of health and has > > > > > > since been released. > > > > > > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8233750.stm > > > > > > > Now I have personal experiance with scizophrenia, no not me but a > > > > > > very > > > > > > good friend of mine, and I know that with the proper medicain those > > > > > > who suffer form this illness can and do live more or less ordinary > > > > > > lives. > > > > > > > You all know me by now so it should come as no suppries to learn > > > > > > that > > > > > > I feel sorta disgusted by the proposed actions of our cabbies. > > > > > > > There is in this country a huge stigma attached to mental health > > > > > > and a > > > > > > lack of understanding of the effects it can have on those who suffer > > > > > > and their families, I wish it was not so as it seems simple to me, > > > > > > you > > > > > > would not protest against a man who had say broken a hand and wished > > > > > > to become a cabbie. > > > > > > > It doesn't really supprise me though, I figure that not everybody > > > > > > has > > > > > > encountred those who sufffer. > > > > > > > So what do you think?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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