" ... if by spirtuality is meant connecting ..." with ( and being empowered by ) oneself, as one is in truth, when there is none in between one and oneself. Good to know you, G !
On Sep 16, 7:42 am, [email protected] wrote: > I believe that science and spirituality can mix in the process of a patient > working on forging a solid identity if by spirtuality is meant connecting > with basic 'spiritual' concepts of faith, hope, trust. love and persistence > all associated with the consciousness of a one year old child. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vam <[email protected]> > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:24 pm > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Newton's Spiritual Laws of Motion... > > ustin is right, elsewhere, when he says that mixing religion or > pirituality and science belittles both. Not because they cannot be > rought together in the same frame but, in my view, because it calls > or an extreme sharpness to learn in one and apply in the other, > nterchangeably, all the way, untill there remains just one. > Sadly, Neil, your post merely follows the stereotypical mode : > eligion vs science. It adds nothing and only seems like one more > ailing against. I can see you are ' for ' ' something,' but with such > hought patterns I believe you may be doing no good to your cause, > hatever it is ! The methodology ( to me, today ) seems extremely > egressive. Entertaining ? Perhaps, to one who is looking for that. > I hope you get the job in Dubai. I know it would change your life > uch, for the better. But, you ? > > n Sep 16, 4:18 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > Science has overturned many fables (though not necessarily the power > of fable) - I often wonder how we might expose the liturgies > of > capitalism for what they are and thus discover what was working given > that it wasn't. Instead the bwanking priests are still blackmailing > us along old religious lines - if we don't pay their ransom (tithe) > they won't do the chanting that ensures our prosperity. They are > saying this to us even after all their runes and litanies have just > failed and we have had to empty our social confers to save them. What > we haven't done is formulated a science of living without their magic > wand. I actually think Pat is wrong here, though one can see in Vam's > exegesis notions of forces very familiar in relational physics. > Physics was never my bag, but my colleagues in it always seemed the > most religious and inclined to a certain rhythm even if even more > appalling social misfits than I. These days they are seeking all > kinds of Indian rhythmic mathematics to see if it somehow sways in > harmony with the universe they can prod. Even quarks sound like > mystical history - originally 6 there are now just two, clinging > together because they are so much more attractive to each other when > apart. Bwankers in sack-cloth and ashes and worker control of capital > through government directly and openly consulting the people - now > there's something to pray for. > > On 15 Sep, 17:54, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Gunas are fundamental to Sankhya philosophy, also termed Sankhya Yoga. > > Krishna himself says in Bhagwat Gita that, among all yogas,=2 > 0he is > > Sankhya Yoga. And, among all yogis, he is Kapil muni, the stalwart > > Sankhya yogi. > > > Gunas takes our realisation of our self beyond the ego, where most of > > our understanding stops, for the ego is nothing but constituted of > > gunas. > > > Even Prakriti, the nature both primordial and individuated, is nothing > > but constituted of gunas. Only Purusha, or the Witness - Self, is not. > > > The most popular and well - known of all yogas, Patanjal Yoga, is > > entirely based of Sankhya principles. > > > There is never, without exception, when all three gunas are not > > present in any being or thing. Only occassions when one may > > predominate, while the other two are dormant or attenuated. By one's > > choice of realisation, and in thought and action, one may cause the > > predomination of one. > > > In Prakriti, or the penultimate realisation, all three gunas are in > > complete balance, annulling the effect of each other. > > > Each guna becomes a means to liberation, in correspondingly > > appropriate situations. > > > On Sep 15, 4:32 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > When I got home last night, it dawned on me that Sir Isaac > > > Newton’s main goal and deepest interest was to discover how spirit and > > > the universe interact; which is why a huge percentage of his writings > > > were alchemical—the scientific findings were, more or less, a by- > > > product of his overall search for a Theory of E > verything, which would, > > > necessarily, include spiritual phenomena. I then had the thought > > > that, perhaps he had intended his ‘Laws of Motion’ not just to include > > > physical bodies, but spiritual bodies, as well. Now, his laws have > > > been expressed in many ways, but, at home (which is where I am at the > > > moment of writing this), the only book that I found (I’m sure there > > > are a couple more, but I couldn’t find them and went with what I found > > > first) that has them listed is ‘The Hutchison Encyclopaedia—1997’, not > > > the best source, but, I think, it’s good enough. > > > The first law states that “unless acted upon by a net force, a > > > body at rest stays at rest, and a moving body continues moving at the > > > same speed in the same straight line (direction)”. Now to me, that > > > just screamed out “That is the Western scientific version of the gunas > > > of Hinduism”. Vam, I expect, may want to set me straight here with > > > respect to a few details I gloss over, as his knowledge of Hinduism > > > far exceeds mine, but, I’ll describe this as I see it. The three > > > gunas are: Sattva, Rajas and Tamas. They are spiritual qualities/ > > > forces that, together, express the ‘net spiritual forces’ that affect > > > us. Sattva is usually depicted as simple (!), clarity of mind,=2 > 0Rajas > > > as a disruptive, disturbing influence and Tamas as dullness and > > > lethargy. In this analogy, I see Sattva as representing an > > > individual’s truest sense of self, their own unsullied consciousness, > > > and Rajas (the general disruptive, interactive force) and Tamas > > > (spiritual inertia), is how one individual experiences another > > > individual’s Sattva. Whilst it is true that one can be affected by > > > another’s Sattva, it is harmonic enough as to not distress the soul as > > > do the other forces of Rajas and Tamas. Tamas is what keeps a > > > depressed person depressed and why it’s harder to motivate a depressed > > > individual than one who is not depressed. So, too, a mind/soul filled > > > with Tamas will tend to remain at rest (and depressed and slothful > > > and, in extreme cases with the right combination of Rajas, self- > > > harming) until acted upon by sufficient Rajas (and/or Sattva [but it > > > takes more Rajas at first!]) such that it can, once again, achieve its > > > own Sattva. Too much Rajas can make an individual aggressive, like a > > > bull in a china shop and is what keeps the manic, manic. Sattva is > > > the quiet forward motion with no external forces impinging on it. (Too > > > much Sattva usually leads to moksha and is not considered > > > problematic!) > > > So, to paraphrase Newton’s first Law: A (more) Tamasic soul will > > > tend t > o remain Tamasic until acted upon by Rajas (and/or Sattva) and a > > > (more) Sattvic soul will continue to be Sattvic until acted upon by > > > Rajas (and/or Tamas). (I inserted the word ‘more’ in there to denote > > > that each soul is, in most but the rarest of cases, comprised, to some > > > extent, of all three gunas.) And, we have a sound spiritual concept > > > (that’s been recognised by Hindus for millennia) that is an almost > > > perfect corollary to Newton’s first Law. > > > Looked at another way—probably Newton’s alchemical way—Sattva > > > becomes Salt, that perfect combination of opposing (with respect to > > > charge) elements that forms a complete bond with itself (its Self). > > > Rajas is Sulphur, the fast burning element that scorches its way > > > disrupting and disturbing. Tamas is, then, Mercury, the heavy, liquid > > > and poisonous metal. I think Newton understood the gunas in this way > > > and may well have hinted at it in this first law. > > > The second law states that “a net force applied to a body gives > > > it an acceleration proportional to the force and in the direction of > > > the force.” This is vastly important. Given the first paraphrased > > > law, this second law implies that the interactions between spiritual > > > bodies impart an eternal effect, that is, when one set of gunas (one > > > spiritual body) communicates > with another, it imparts a force that is > > > irremovable and it receives a force that is irresistible. From that > > > moment forward (in a spatio-temporal cone), all the actions of B have > > > become affected by B’s communication with A and vice versa. > > > Spiritually, we can interact in an intellectual and/or emotional way > > > with one another, if not a combination of both (not to mention that > > > intimate, physical communication, certainly, can have emotional > > > effects). This is the ‘emotional communication’ that Gregg Bradon > > > intended in his book ‘The Divine Matrix’; especially his ‘Key 4’: > > > “Once something is joined, it is always connected, whether it remains > > > physically linked or not”. THIS concept is my answer to the other, > > > recent topic of “one flesh”. I believe the reference is metaphorical > > > and represents that, once two people have had ‘spiritual > > > intercourse’ (a topic for discussion all on its own, but I mean it in > > > its simplest level of even including a casual ‘Hello’ passing by > > > someone on the street), they have a permanent spiritual bond, as the > > > effects of their interaction continue onwards throughout space-time. > > > Also, the implication that our interactions cause eternal (from that > > > point forward) effects should make us feel the utmost > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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