Well you have convinced me of two things....sexism is alive and well... and you sure know how to revise history!
On Sep 18, 6:44 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I hardly think of Cleopatra, the Virgin Mary or Elizabeth I (etc.) as > having a limited role in their society, however. HuffingtonPost has a > current article about the increasing unhappiness of women- post > militant, liberated feminists- in contrast to a much happier male- as > time/years go by although health issues weren't mentioned and I would > posit women have an edge in that department. I think therapy stepped > in as a form of religion in modern times- instead of being a sinner > one was screwed up; the therapist took on the role of the priest/ > confession and one's ego and dramatic changes became a petite god > issuing absolutions. It turns out having control over one's > reproductive/sexual functions has liberated no one nor turned out > happier families/relationships. As we cared for parents, husbands, > lovers, children and ran mini-dynasties of well-ordered homes and > gardens, checked off domestic arts and skills with talent and grace, > kept our looks and body parts in tact, our mind and curiousity sharp- > the toughest order was freedom- probably an existential threat. Plus > women have an historical reputation for envy and competition based on > different standards than males and entrance into the public, > professional world of men has not really changed that. An older ugly > man with money/power will always trump an older woman but one has to > wonder who has the last laugh sometimes.// One bothersome thing about > therapists and many doctors is their over-generous, often dangerous > prescriptions which is really a newcomer to the human system. Add > enviornmental issues, poor food safety, modern stress, continued abuse > and enslavement of women in some societies, etc. and it's no wonder > that the overall picture of women is disturbing. Oh- there's > more...:-) lol > > On Sep 18, 5:00 am, Justintruth <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Maybe its the lobotomies or electroshock or peri-haldol that was beingty > > administered back then when the term was coined, or perhaps it was the > > way they interpreted the dissatisfaction of women with their limited > > role in society as being a sign of neurosis instead of a lack of > > liberation. Or was it the doors that lock from the outside. Or was it > > they way the represented the foundation of their discipline as > > scientifically valid and as a valid basis for treatment - their > > "freudian theories"? Or was it simply the lack of results? Or maybe > > its because of the fees they charged? > > > The truth is that often therapy does not work but hey... you must have > > heard it I know but.... the difference between a neurotic, a psychotic > > and a psychiatrist? The first builds castles in the air, the second > > lives in them, and the last collects the rent? > > > ... some therapists did good work but at the time that phrase was > > coined there was a lot of very bad therapy... > > > On Sep 17, 6:13 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > > Them is fightn words. I imagine you miust have had a poor experience with > > > one of those you > > > > refer to as shrinks. Which makes me wonder if anyone is able to give a > > > reasonable answer to the perplexing issue as to why > > > > psychotherapists and psychoanalysts were saddled with the not so > > > flattering term of "shrinks." > > > > The truth is - when therapy works - it always expands not contracts. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rigsy03 <[email protected]> > > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 6:49 am > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Newton's Spiritual Laws of Motion... > > > > he healer is already in place- one's rational mind/brain. I tend to > > > hink of shrinks as snake-oil salesmen. But that is a different topic, > > > sn't it? > > > On Sep 17, 12:55 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > I believe that every one should work on forging a solid identity. I like > > > what > > > oseph Cambell has to say about this in his book The Hero with a Thousand > > > Faces. > > > e says the modern hero is a person who dares to take a trip into his or > > > her > > > nner space, identifies their inevitable splits and dedicates themselves to > > > econcilling them. Any one can do this but patients have the added > > > advantage of > > > opefully having a relatively objective guide. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wed, Sep 16, 2009 3:06 am > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Newton's Spiritual Laws of Motion... > > > > ibbs, do you also believe that non-patients should/n > > > eed to work on > > > forging a solid identity...'? > > > hanks. > > > On Sep 15, 7:42 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > > I believe that science and spirituality can mix in the process of a > > > patient > > > orking on forging a solid identity if by spirtuality is meant connecting > > > with > > > asic 'spiritual' concepts of faith, hope, trust. love and persistence all > > > ssociated with the consciousness of a one year old child. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Vam <[email protected]> > > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 10:24 pm > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Newton's Spiritual Laws of Motion... > > > > ustin is right, elsewhere, when he says that mixing religion or > > > pirituality and science belittles both. Not because they cannot be > > > rought together in the same frame but, in my view, because it calls > > > or an > > > extreme sharpness to learn in one and apply in the other, > > > nterchangeably, all the way, untill there remains just one. > > > Sadly, Neil, your post merely follows the stereotypical mode : > > > eligion vs science. It adds nothing and only seems like one more > > > ailing against. I can see you are ' for ' ' something,' but with such > > > hought patterns I believe you may be doing no good to your cause, > > > hatever it is ! The methodology ( to me, today ) seems extremely > > > egressive. Entertaining ? Perhaps, to one who is looking for that. > > > I hope you get the job in Dubai. I know it would change your life > > > 20 uch, for the better. But, you ? > > > > n Sep 16, 4:18 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Science has overturned many fables (though not necessarily the power > > > of fable) - I often wonder how we might expose the liturgies > > > of > > > capitalism for what they are and thus discover what was working given > > > that it wasn't. Instead the bwanking priests are still blackmailing > > > us along old religious lines - if we don't pay their ransom (tithe) > > > they won't do the chanting that ensures our prosperity. They are > > > saying this to us even after all their runes and litanies have just > > > failed and we have had to empty our social confers to save them. What > > > we haven't done is formulated a science of living without their magic > > > wand. I actually think Pat is wrong here, though one can see in Vam's > > > exegesis notions of f > > > orces very familiar in relational physics. > > > Physics was never my bag, but my colleagues in it always seemed the > > > most religious and inclined to a certain rhythm even if even more > > > appalling social misfits than I. These days they are seeking all > > > kinds of Indian rhythmic mathematics to see if it somehow sways in > > > harmony with the universe they can prod. Even quarks sound like > > > mystical history - originally 6 there are now just two, clinging > > > together because they are so=2 > > > 0much more attractive to each other when > > > apart. Bwankers in sack-cloth and ashes and worker control of capital > > > through government directly and openly consulting the people - now > > > there's something to pray for. > > > > On 15 Sep, 17:54, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Gunas are fundamental to Sankhya philosophy, also termed Sankhya > > > Yoga. > > > > Krishna himself says in Bhagwat Gita that, among all yogas,=2 > > > 0he is > > > > Sankhya Yoga. And, among all yogis, he is Kapil muni, the stalwart > > > > Sankhya yogi. > > > > > Gunas takes our realisation of our self beyond the ego, where most of > > > > our understanding stops, for the ego is nothing but constituted of > > > > gunas. > > > > > Even Prakriti, the nature both primordial and individuated, is > > > nothing > > > > but constituted of gunas. Only Purusha, or the Witness - Self, is > > > not. > > > > > The most popular and well - known of all yogas, Patanjal Yoga, is > > > > entirely based of Sankhy > > > a principles. > > > > > There is never, without exception, when all three gunas are not > > > > present in any being or thing. Only occassions when one may > > > > predominate, while the other two are dormant or attenuated. By one's > > > > choice of realisation, and in thought and action, one may cause the > > > > predomination of one. > > > > > In Prakriti, or the penultimate realisation, all three gunas are=2 > > > 0in > > > > complete balance, annulling the effect of each other. > > > > > Each guna becomes a means to liberation, in correspondingly > > > > appropriate situations. > > > > > On Sep 15, 4:32 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > When I got home last night, it dawned on me that Sir Isaac > > > > > Newton’s main goal and deepest interest was to discover how spirit > > > and > > > > > the universe interact; which is why a huge percentage of his > > > writings > > > > > were alchemical—the scientific findings were, more or less, a by- > > > > > product of his overall search for a Theory of E > > > verything, which would, > > > > > necessarily, include spiritual phenomena. 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