Hi Slip and others! Slip, you sound as if you have no more beliefs in humanity and God, I know humanity is not running the best way presently; but it is our fault I believe that we are not better off that we should be, we can not blame God for our plights, after all God may turn out to be an invention of our own human mind. Now don't get me wrong here; I am not saying that God does not exist; but rather that God may be somehow different from what we have always wanted him to be. So we need to go over everything we know, and then see if we can find a way which would link everything together, so that we could see the world in a different way, and therefore act ourselves in a different way; But to do that we need a new theory and this is what I am trying to start in my writings that I call Prayers of Reconciliations. I hope you have the time and the patience to Google my blog called, Manfraco.blogspos.com and find your way to Manfraco reconciliation in Google sites attachment, Prayers of Reconciliations. I really would appreciate it very much to know what you think about the beginning of how to find this new theory of mine? regards Manfraco
On Sep 25, 3:11 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Finally I have heard one of the good news, which is that you are > writing a theory about religious reconciliations, I feel myself that > the time has come when humanity needs to do something about it, and I > am glad that you are doing something about it. <<MF > > Not sure we are getting close to moving in that direction except in > small circles. > We may be losing the ability to reconcile in the world. We've > slipped far from the understanding of brotherhood, of forgiveness and > we've > simply become a world of hatred and revenge. We are literally > mortified by the specter of terrorism that is plaguing the world. The > mindset of terrorism that is anchored in the inability to allow > forgiveness to override anger and instead caters to hatred, anger and > violence > towards those deemed the wrongdoers without regard for the harm > imposed upon the innocent bystanders. > Aside from that our culture seems entrenched in the business of > revenge, we rather employ legal means to inflict suffering upon those > who we think have done us wrong before we would sit down directly and > discuss the problems. Politics seems to be leaning more toward > instilling anger and fears among us which leads to a polarization of > society while most media seem devoted to divisive and anger driven > reporting with a general attitude of who is to blame. > Can we ever stop sending messages attached to missiles, bombs and > bullets? Our attempts to establish peaceful means of resolution have > failed miserably because there is never a general consensus on any > issue. We sanction and punish to no end in order to force change but > to no avail. People are at war in every quadrant of the planet while > new agitations are festering in the background waiting to emerge as > full scale skirmishes. > That was updated from the reconciliation thread in July but I don't > think much has changed since then, at least not much in the right > direction. More violence has entered the global stage for various new > reasons and the threat of nuclear and biological warfare is looming. > Religion has been around for thousands of years and has yet to show > itself as a viable solution but more so the root cause of much dread > throughout history. Personal religious reconciliation doesn't really > accomplish anything concerning the retributive tendency of humanity. > Is God's plan to allow humanity to wreak havoc on innocent lives. > People talk about an almighty God, songs about God being in control > and working in strange ways. People emerge from tragic accidents with > the claim that God was watching over them but isn't it plain and clear > that God wasn't watching over them when they had the accident and the > other people lost their lives. That doesn't make a bit of sense. The > one thing that is completely unapparent in this life is the presence > of a loving God or if you call this love, imagine what it would be > like if we were hated, maybe we are. Perhaps we have been lost or > abandoned in this galaxy and left to our own devices. > > On Sep 24, 10:50 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Hi Pat! > > Congratulations for writing what most people fear to write! > > > Finally I have heard one of the good news, which is that you are > > writing a theory about religious reconciliations, I feel myself that > > the time has come when humanity needs to do something about it, and I > > am glad that you are doing something about it. > > I think that I am lucky enough to be one of the first to have heard > > about it. > > I must confess that I have a theory of my own for religious > > reconciliation, which I am going to write down somehow; but as you can > > see from my writings I am not a well educated person, and therefore my > > theory can only be written in simple English. Anyhow this theory of > > mine is a bit radical in nature, so, I guess that most people will not > > even look at it, if it falls under their nose. > > But a man must do what a man believes is the right thing to do, so I > > will try to write it even it is going to be very hard for me to do > > it. > > In a way I have already started it, and part of it can be found > > through one of my blog called, Manfraco.blogspot.com, You can Google > > my blog and navigate through the links and find Prayers of > > Reconciliation. > > I really wish I could read what you are writing soon, so that I could > > have an idea how far apart our beliefs place us. > > My best wishes and regards > > Manfraco > > > On Sep 25, 2:11 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 24 Sep, 15:40, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Hah I think you're endevour is doomed to failure my friend, you can't > > > > even get the half of us here to agree withyour idea, what hope for the > > > > rest of the world. > > > > Some things take time. I don't, for a minute, think I'll be around > > > when the philosophy finally sinks in. As you say, there are far too > > > many people who will think they have 'lost' something (like you and > > > 'free will', when, in fact, you never had it) and take exception. > > > But, over time, as the truth sinks in and we have more and more > > > reasons to accept the implications of space-time, THEN things will get > > > better. > > > > > We are strange wonderous cretures us human beings, so diverse, so > > > > differant from even each other. For each excelnet idea, plan or > > > > proposal there will forever be (I fear) opposition. > > > > In fact, I feel that opposition to my ideas is a required part of > > > the process. And, unfortunately, one that will have drastic effects > > > that might seem horrible at the time but, later, when the opposition > > > has been reduced, the goodness can have a chance to come out. > > > Besides, there's a part of me that is counting on another individual > > > who will come later (when even MORE science can back up my > > > speculations) and make it more obvious to the masses. And, I have > > > every reason to believe that that person doesn't, yet, exist. So, > > > we're talking 'no permanent peace' as a result of my efforts for > > > around 2-3 generations. For the world, that's a drop in the bucket. > > > > > Ohhh but all luck to you indeed Pat. And when I recive my copy of the > > > > book, we'll I'll leave it lying around open at random pages and see > > > > what happens. > > > > I expect, if you leave it near an open window, the pages will, > > > miraculously, turn to reveal other pages. But I wouldn't agree that > > > ANY of them would be random...just incalculable. ;-) > > > > > On 24 Sep, 15:35, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 24 Sep, 14:11, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Pat noble dream and I really do hope you have found away. > > > > > > If you have I will support you all they way. > > > > > > > sadly you are talking two groups of people whose leadership in only > > > > > > interested in personal agendas and nothing more. > > > > > > good luck... > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > Yeah, it's a nasty part of my personality, I really see that area > > > > > of the world as problematic and can see many solutions, but none of > > > > > the 'people in charge' seem to be thinking about solutions. So, if I > > > > > present them in a book, and the ideas appeal to their respective > > > > > populations, they MAY be forced to cave-in to popular demand. The > > > > > problem with that is that the respective populations have their own > > > > > blood-feuds going on and some brave souls are going to have to lay > > > > > down their weapons first and then extend their hand in friendship. > > > > > Right now, they seen to have few reasons for doing that. Hopefully, > > > > > my book will give them plenty of reasons to do it. > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Pat > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 24 Sep, 04:57, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > God’s Purpose –Minds Eye > > > > > > > > Hi Pat! > > > > > > > > From what you are saying, you think that somewhere somehow > > > > > > > > religious > > > > > > > > people will one day come to an understanding of the present > > > > > > > > perilous > > > > > > > > religious situation and accept each other more openly, and in > > > > > > > > doing so > > > > > > > > they would avoid future fighting between religions? > > > > > > > > I really hope you are right Pat: > > > > > > > > But what I see here it is going to be very tricky indeed as you > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > yourself; so, how do you see this change of religious heart is > > > > > > > > going > > > > > > > > to start!? > > > > > > > > What is going to be the catalyst that will start these changes? > > > > > > > > Do you think that somebody somehow will come up with a theory, > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > finally will make sense to them all, and so, they will be able > > > > > > > > to see > > > > > > > > that they are one and the same thing, and that they all believe > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > same God and therefore they should not be fighting each other? > > > > > > > > What sort of theory may be able to work just that? > > > > > > > > What would you say to that? > > > > > > > > Anyhow we have to wait and see I suppose. > > > > > > > > My regards > > > > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > > > Yes, I'm hoping that my own theory will serve as that basis. > > > > > > > But, > > > > > > > of course, at the moment, it's still a Work-In-Progress. It only > > > > > > > takes a few people (as long as THEY are in a position to affect > > > > > > > more) > > > > > > > to start the changes. My theory backs up both Jewish and Islamic > > > > > > > (I > > > > > > > pick on these as it seems that the enmity between these is the > > > > > > > basis > > > > > > > of much of the world's tensions) claims, but it takes an > > > > > > > interpretation that has not, yet, been presented to them. > > > > > > > Abraham, > > > > > > > the 'father' of both these faiths deeply cared about both his > > > > > > > children > > > > > > > and would be appalled that they are constantly at war with one > > > > > > > another.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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