On 25 Sep, 06:11, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> Finally I have heard one of the good news, which is that you are
> writing a theory about religious reconciliations, I feel myself that
> the time has come when humanity needs to do something about it, and I
> am glad that you are doing something about it. <<MF
>
> Not sure we are getting close to moving in that direction except in
> small circles.
> We may be losing the ability to reconcile in the world. We've
> slipped far from the understanding of brotherhood, of forgiveness and
> we've
> simply become a world of hatred and revenge. We are literally
> mortified by the specter of terrorism that is plaguing the world. The
> mindset of terrorism that is anchored in the inability to allow
> forgiveness to override anger and instead caters to hatred, anger and
> violence
> towards those deemed the wrongdoers without regard for the harm
> imposed upon the innocent bystanders.
> Aside from that our culture seems entrenched in the business of
> revenge, we rather employ legal means to inflict suffering upon those
> who we think have done us wrong before we would sit down directly and
> discuss the problems. Politics seems to be leaning more toward
> instilling anger and fears among us which leads to a polarization of
> society while most media seem devoted to divisive and anger driven
> reporting with a general attitude of who is to blame.
> Can we ever stop sending messages attached to missiles, bombs and
> bullets? Our attempts to establish peaceful means of resolution have
> failed miserably because there is never a general consensus on any
> issue. We sanction and punish to no end in order to force change but
> to no avail. People are at war in every quadrant of the planet while
> new agitations are festering in the background waiting to emerge as
> full scale skirmishes.
> That was updated from the reconciliation thread in July but I don't
> think much has changed since then, at least not much in the right
> direction. More violence has entered the global stage for various new
> reasons and the threat of nuclear and biological warfare is looming.
> Religion has been around for thousands of years and has yet to show
> itself as a viable solution but more so the root cause of much dread
> throughout history. Personal religious reconciliation doesn't really
> accomplish anything concerning the retributive tendency of humanity.
> Is God's plan to allow humanity to wreak havoc on innocent lives.
> People talk about an almighty God, songs about God being in control
> and working in strange ways. People emerge from tragic accidents with
> the claim that God was watching over them but isn't it plain and clear
> that God wasn't watching over them when they had the accident and the
> other people lost their lives. That doesn't make a bit of sense. The
> one thing that is completely unapparent in this life is the presence
> of a loving God or if you call this love, imagine what it would be
> like if we were hated, maybe we are. Perhaps we have been lost or
> abandoned in this galaxy and left to our own devices.
>
The latter, Slip. Abandoned. Out of fear because, although we're
quite clever, we haven't yet taken it on board that there's a God
behind all this. Until we sort ourselves out spiritually, we are a
danger to ourselves and the local galactic community.
> On Sep 24, 10:50 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi Pat!
> > Congratulations for writing what most people fear to write!
>
> > Finally I have heard one of the good news, which is that you are
> > writing a theory about religious reconciliations, I feel myself that
> > the time has come when humanity needs to do something about it, and I
> > am glad that you are doing something about it.
> > I think that I am lucky enough to be one of the first to have heard
> > about it.
> > I must confess that I have a theory of my own for religious
> > reconciliation, which I am going to write down somehow; but as you can
> > see from my writings I am not a well educated person, and therefore my
> > theory can only be written in simple English. Anyhow this theory of
> > mine is a bit radical in nature, so, I guess that most people will not
> > even look at it, if it falls under their nose.
> > But a man must do what a man believes is the right thing to do, so I
> > will try to write it even it is going to be very hard for me to do
> > it.
> > In a way I have already started it, and part of it can be found
> > through one of my blog called, Manfraco.blogspot.com, You can Google
> > my blog and navigate through the links and find Prayers of
> > Reconciliation.
> > I really wish I could read what you are writing soon, so that I could
> > have an idea how far apart our beliefs place us.
> > My best wishes and regards
> > Manfraco
>
> > On Sep 25, 2:11 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On 24 Sep, 15:40, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Hah I think you're endevour is doomed to failure my friend, you can't
> > > > even get the half of us here to agree withyour idea, what hope for the
> > > > rest of the world.
>
> > > Some things take time. I don't, for a minute, think I'll be around
> > > when the philosophy finally sinks in. As you say, there are far too
> > > many people who will think they have 'lost' something (like you and
> > > 'free will', when, in fact, you never had it) and take exception.
> > > But, over time, as the truth sinks in and we have more and more
> > > reasons to accept the implications of space-time, THEN things will get
> > > better.
>
> > > > We are strange wonderous cretures us human beings, so diverse, so
> > > > differant from even each other. For each excelnet idea, plan or
> > > > proposal there will forever be (I fear) opposition.
>
> > > In fact, I feel that opposition to my ideas is a required part of
> > > the process. And, unfortunately, one that will have drastic effects
> > > that might seem horrible at the time but, later, when the opposition
> > > has been reduced, the goodness can have a chance to come out.
> > > Besides, there's a part of me that is counting on another individual
> > > who will come later (when even MORE science can back up my
> > > speculations) and make it more obvious to the masses. And, I have
> > > every reason to believe that that person doesn't, yet, exist. So,
> > > we're talking 'no permanent peace' as a result of my efforts for
> > > around 2-3 generations. For the world, that's a drop in the bucket.
>
> > > > Ohhh but all luck to you indeed Pat. And when I recive my copy of the
> > > > book, we'll I'll leave it lying around open at random pages and see
> > > > what happens.
>
> > > I expect, if you leave it near an open window, the pages will,
> > > miraculously, turn to reveal other pages. But I wouldn't agree that
> > > ANY of them would be random...just incalculable. ;-)
>
> > > > On 24 Sep, 15:35, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On 24 Sep, 14:11, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Hi Pat noble dream and I really do hope you have found away.
> > > > > > If you have I will support you all they way.
>
> > > > > > sadly you are talking two groups of people whose leadership in only
> > > > > > interested in personal agendas and nothing more.
> > > > > > good luck...
> > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > Yeah, it's a nasty part of my personality, I really see that area
> > > > > of the world as problematic and can see many solutions, but none of
> > > > > the 'people in charge' seem to be thinking about solutions. So, if I
> > > > > present them in a book, and the ideas appeal to their respective
> > > > > populations, they MAY be forced to cave-in to popular demand. The
> > > > > problem with that is that the respective populations have their own
> > > > > blood-feuds going on and some brave souls are going to have to lay
> > > > > down their weapons first and then extend their hand in friendship.
> > > > > Right now, they seen to have few reasons for doing that. Hopefully,
> > > > > my book will give them plenty of reasons to do it.
>
> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Pat
> > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On 24 Sep, 04:57, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > God’s Purpose –Minds Eye
> > > > > > > > Hi Pat!
> > > > > > > > From what you are saying, you think that somewhere somehow
> > > > > > > > religious
> > > > > > > > people will one day come to an understanding of the present
> > > > > > > > perilous
> > > > > > > > religious situation and accept each other more openly, and in
> > > > > > > > doing so
> > > > > > > > they would avoid future fighting between religions?
> > > > > > > > I really hope you are right Pat:
> > > > > > > > But what I see here it is going to be very tricky indeed as you
> > > > > > > > said
> > > > > > > > yourself; so, how do you see this change of religious heart is
> > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > to start!?
> > > > > > > > What is going to be the catalyst that will start these changes?
> > > > > > > > Do you think that somebody somehow will come up with a theory,
> > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > finally will make sense to them all, and so, they will be able
> > > > > > > > to see
> > > > > > > > that they are one and the same thing, and that they all believe
> > > > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > same God and therefore they should not be fighting each other?
> > > > > > > > What sort of theory may be able to work just that?
> > > > > > > > What would you say to that?
> > > > > > > > Anyhow we have to wait and see I suppose.
> > > > > > > > My regards
> > > > > > > > Manfraco
>
> > > > > > > Yes, I'm hoping that my own theory will serve as that basis.
> > > > > > > But,
> > > > > > > of course, at the moment, it's still a Work-In-Progress. It only
> > > > > > > takes a few people (as long as THEY are in a position to affect
> > > > > > > more)
> > > > > > > to start the changes. My theory backs up both Jewish and Islamic
> > > > > > > (I
> > > > > > > pick on these as it seems that the enmity between these is the
> > > > > > > basis
> > > > > > > of much of the world's tensions) claims, but it takes an
> > > > > > > interpretation that has not, yet, been presented to them.
> > > > > > > Abraham,
> > > > > > > the 'father' of both these faiths deeply cared about both his
> > > > > > > children
> > > > > > > and would be appalled that they are constantly at war with one
> > > > > > > another.
>
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