Honor killings protect the image of a family when it feels it has been debased or insulted. To dilute the process further, it can take the form of shunning or culling social or business ties- a metaphorical "death".
On Sep 25, 10:27 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 25 Sep, 13:55, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Umm 'doing the right thing' and 'more to do with ethics than morals' > > would suggest that Honour is bound up in ethics. Just an aside then > > if ethics is concerend with doing what is right, and morals are > > concerned with questions of what is right or wrong, then can it be > > true that ethics are as subjective as morality? > > As I've said before, ethics is a societal thing and morals are > personal. Ethics are subjective to a society and morals are > subjective to an individual. Right and wrong, whether perceived by a > society or an individual are still just perceptions based on a > profound lack of information (in that every act we perform has > reactions that carry on from that point forward and, as we have no > access to the future, we should endeavour to ensure that our actions > should lead to predominately positive results.). And, it might seem > contradictory in light of our free will conversations, but, I think > that, if the person about to commit an honour killing has the > opportunity to speculate that they don't HAVE to kill, then they > should feel obliged NOT to, if for no other reason than that they may > not know the full circumstances regarding the original killing (which > MAY have been in self-defense) and are, by taking up their 'right', > may, actually, be giving the other family the true 'right' to return > like for like. And the cycle continues. It's for reasons like THIS > that I feel the ability (and opportunity) to speculate about an > unknown future is just as important (and still makes us liable) as > having free will in its usual sense. > > > Aside over. > > > More I need more people, I'm trying to understand this concept of > > honour. Honour killings for example strike me as well not really > > honourable at all, the honour of the family, what does that actualy > > mean? > > Honour killings were based on the old 'Eye for an Eye' rule, > which, of course, meant not more than an eye for an eye... So, if > someone killed a member of your family, the code allowed the injured > family to kill a member of the originally offending family to offset > their murder. However, to those that abide by that code, I would > remind them that "'Vengeance is mine', saith the Lord" and let God > deal with it, as only He has access to ALL the information regarding > it. So, whilst the law (or code) may permit the retaliation, it would > be more 'Godlike' if the offended family acted more godly and > exercised their mercy and let God dole out the judgements, rather than > assume that their retaliation IS God's judgement. > > > > > On 25 Sep, 13:32, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Well, an individual must abide by the code of his/her culture although > > > one can walk away from dishonour and generally pay a steep price for > > > it. I think it means doing the right thing despite the cost. > > > > On Sep 25, 6:48 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 25 Sep, 12:13, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > It seems an easy enough question. What is it, what does it mean to > > > > > have it, what acts are honourable and what not? > > > > > It mostly depends on culture. It was honourable to the Aztecs to be > > > > sacrificed to Quetzalcoatl, I doubt many today would feel the same. > > > > Thieves, at one time, had a code of conduct, making some theiving > > > > honourable and other thieving not honourable. Seppuku (harakiri) is > > > > considered honourable in Japanese culture, but viewed as simple > > > > suicide and damnable by the West. Roughly, honour (like good and > > > > evil) is, like its opposite, shame, an opinion/perception and is > > > > relative.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
