On Sep 30, 12:19 am, Justintruth <[email protected]> wrote:
> Adam,
>
> Ok, great. So you are saying the "original creation was described as
> very good" and "after the sin they became selfish" and "passed this
> attitude on to mankind" so it must have been in their DNA.
>
> Where did you get the description that the original creation was
> described as very good? If in the bible what chapter and verse?
Gen 1:31 ‘And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it
was very good. ‘
How do
> you know that there was a sin and after it they became selfish? Again
> if it is in the bible what chapter and verse. Also how do you know
> that this attitude was passed on to mankind? Is that in the bible or
> do you believe that mankind is selfish based on your read of their
> behavior?
Rom 5:12 ‘ Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and
death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have
sinned:’
The answer to this is complex. My conclusions are not generally based
on only one text.
James 1:14-15 (NIV) ‘ but each one is tempted when, by his own evil
desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has
conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown,
gives birth to death.’
Paul called selfishness ‘sinful human flesh’. Try Romans 7 from verse
17 onwards.
>
> If any of your statements are because something is written in the
> bible can you say why that convinces you that it is true? Couldn't the
> bible be false? How do you know it is true?
All my statements are based on what I have read in the Bible and I
believe it to be true because it all hangs together even though there
were many different writers. I started by studying prophecy and I read
all prophecy about 7 or 8 times before I started to connect the dots.
I found a consistent theme running through the whole book. This
convinced me that it was true. Now the casual reader will never sort
it out because unless he has got a marvellous memory or a concordance,
and a lot of time he won’t be able to bring it all together. But if
the Bible is false then everything I have written is false.
It’s your choice.
>
> However, assuming you can establish both of those, how do you know
> that all attitudes that are passed down are included in DNA? Couldn't
> it be a cultural thing? Couldn't things be passed down that are not in
> DNA through teaching etc?
That would assume that all cultures teach the same thing.
Adam
>
> I don't understand why you think what you think. It doesn't seem right
> to me. Can you help me?
>
> On Sep 28, 9:00 pm, Adam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Justintruth
> > The original creation was described as 'very good'. After the sin they
> > became selfish
> > and passed this attribute on to all mankind. So it must have been
> > included in their DNA.
> > The poison was slow acting because it took 930 years to take effect.
> > The fruit was mind-altering because it opened their eyes and they then
> > knew that they were naked.
> > Adam
>
> > On Sep 28, 9:41 pm, Justintruth <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Adam,
>
> > > What a person believes is not always as interesting to me as why they
> > > believe it. I have taken a quote from your earlier post:
>
> > > "...the fruit contained a mind-altering drug, a slow acting poison
> > > that made them mortal and it changed their DNA structure to
> > > produce the “selfish gene” (a description invented by atheist Richard
> > > Dawkins)."
>
> > > I selected this quote pretty much at random. Can you say why you
> > > believe this?
>
> > > My problem when I read this quote is that it doesn't seem true to me
> > > and, if in fact it were true, I don't know how you could have found
> > > out such detail from so long ago. I am not really interested in
> > > understanding more of what you believe until I can find out how it is
> > > you arrive at your beliefs. Once I understand that then I may be more
> > > interested. So how did you find out that there was a slow acting mind-
> > > altering drug that produced the "selfish gene" in the forbidden fruit?
>
> > > On Sep 27, 6:41 pm, Adam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > If I can butt in here for a moment.
> > > > I thought I had written a pretty good account of God's Purpose
> > > > according to the Bible.
> > > > I can also give a pretty good case for the existence of God
> > > > if anyone is interested.
> > > > Adam
>
> > > > On Sep 26, 5:28 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > No no SD your response is actually welcome.. I would also like to
> > > > > especially hear what Pat has to say . . . I hear people always saying
> > > > > 'God's Purpose' but no one seems to know just hat that purpose
> > > > > is....
> > > > > Maybe his purpose id to line up all the good little islamist and
> > > > > christians
> > > > > in a frying pan rosat them over the fires of hell and have them for a
> > > > > snack.. (hmm tasty? or is that God smacking good?) and then it is
> > > > > alright
> > > > > and the safest position is that of the atheist..- Hide quoted text -
>
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