On 25 Sep, 18:21, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> I get confused easily, long dissertations tend to leave me lost.. my
> questions are what do you see you personal relationship it God as? and that
> is probably not stating it right. What do you see the purpose of God's
> interaction with mankind?
> Allan
>
Sorry about that, but, to be fair to the question, it calls for
another long dissertation. ;-)
There are many levels to the answer. On one level, God's 'purpose' is
simply to explore 'that which is possible for energy to do' and that
is completely impersonal. Of course, one of those possibilities is
that energy can be conformed in such a way as to demonstrate
awareness. Those 'things' that demonstrate awareness, we tend to call
'living' or 'alive'. Man is just one example of the many living
things that exist. But, given that I define God as 'an entity that
comprises all the energy there is (was or ever will be) and of which
there is only one', this leads to a very personal and a very
impersonal relationship. Given that loose definition, it can be
derived that all things are parts of God. Those things that are aware
(living things) derive their awareness from God, as there is no other
thing from which it COULD derive. God has configured Himself in such
a way as to unfold this universe of which we are part. So, our
relationship to Him is one-to-one, that is, we ARE that God. Our
awareness (we humans prefer to think of our awareness as
'consciousness', perhaps, so that we can proudly raise ourselves above
other creatures who are aware but that we have difficulty
communicating with) is just one 'portion' of God's overall awareness.
So, when YOU are aware of something, God is aware of it through you
(thus, I like to refer to us as 'neurons in the mind of God'). But,
God also has the awareness of ALL living things and it is through that
'combined and total awareness' that affords Him the attribute of
omniscience.
On another level, God, being the only entity which truly exists, as He
is the total of all energy, His presence (energy) completely permeates
us, as there is no part of us that is not some form of energy. In
THIS regard, He maintains an immanent omnipresence throughout all of
space-time. But, at the same time (bad word, but the language affords
me no alternative), His energy extends into the Calabi-Yau space,
which is outside of our space-time (thus, outside of time and, thus,
the problem with my earlier statement) and, in THIS respect, maintains
a transcendant (in that some of the energy that is God is outside of
our space-time continuum and, thus, eternal) omnipresence.
So, our relationship to God is that we are comprised of the 'stuff' of
God', energy, and that, because of that, there is no real difference
between us and God (we would not exist if it were not for Him and He
cannot exist without us, as is evidenced by our presence in the
continuum). On a consciousness level, our consciousness is but one
slice (or portion) of God's total awareness.
Now, there are several things that 'one' cannot do. The simplest
example is 'to relate to another'. But, God is clever enough to have
figured out a way to configure Himself in such a way as to allow Him
to interact with Himself without the interacting parts realising (in
most cases!) what they are actually doing. SO, One of God's purposes
seems to be to understand what 'unity' is. And He does that by
creating, of Himself, an universe that can evolve such that living
things arise and interact. When you have a certain amount of
intelligence, though, as humans seem to do, the possibility of
realising that 'All is God' is a potential. The One God can 'learn'
about unity through our (human and/or any other equally or more
intelligent creature) recognition of Him and our realisation of our
relationship TO Him. In this way, God, who is One without unity, can
learn about unity because He has configured Himself in such a way as
to seem diverse and diverse things CAN unite.
So, when humans realise our intimate relationship with God, we help
Him, a One without unity, to understand unity through our diversity.
And, if ALL of humanity realised this, there would be no more wars or
fighting or murder or stealing, etc., as we would understand that, in
fact, we are all one entity and any harm we do, we do to ourselves.
We, ourselves, are made in this likeness of God in that, whilst we
tend to view ourselves as one entity, we are, in fact, a conglomerate
of individual cells that work in an organised fashion as one. Each
cell is completely separate and interacts with only a few others
around it, and none of them are 'aware' of the One of which they are a
portion. It is in this regard that we are in God's likeness and
image.
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Pat <[email protected]>wrote:
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> > On 25 Sep, 06:11, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Finally I have heard one of the good news, which is that you are
> > > writing a theory about religious reconciliations, I feel myself that
> > > the time has come when humanity needs to do something about it, and I
> > > am glad that you are doing something about it. <<MF
>
> > > Not sure we are getting close to moving in that direction except in
> > > small circles.
> > > We may be losing the ability to reconcile in the world. We've
> > > slipped far from the understanding of brotherhood, of forgiveness and
> > > we've
> > > simply become a world of hatred and revenge. We are literally
> > > mortified by the specter of terrorism that is plaguing the world. The
> > > mindset of terrorism that is anchored in the inability to allow
> > > forgiveness to override anger and instead caters to hatred, anger and
> > > violence
> > > towards those deemed the wrongdoers without regard for the harm
> > > imposed upon the innocent bystanders.
> > > Aside from that our culture seems entrenched in the business of
> > > revenge, we rather employ legal means to inflict suffering upon those
> > > who we think have done us wrong before we would sit down directly and
> > > discuss the problems. Politics seems to be leaning more toward
> > > instilling anger and fears among us which leads to a polarization of
> > > society while most media seem devoted to divisive and anger driven
> > > reporting with a general attitude of who is to blame.
> > > Can we ever stop sending messages attached to missiles, bombs and
> > > bullets? Our attempts to establish peaceful means of resolution have
> > > failed miserably because there is never a general consensus on any
> > > issue. We sanction and punish to no end in order to force change but
> > > to no avail. People are at war in every quadrant of the planet while
> > > new agitations are festering in the background waiting to emerge as
> > > full scale skirmishes.
> > > That was updated from the reconciliation thread in July but I don't
> > > think much has changed since then, at least not much in the right
> > > direction. More violence has entered the global stage for various new
> > > reasons and the threat of nuclear and biological warfare is looming.
> > > Religion has been around for thousands of years and has yet to show
> > > itself as a viable solution but more so the root cause of much dread
> > > throughout history. Personal religious reconciliation doesn't really
> > > accomplish anything concerning the retributive tendency of humanity.
> > > Is God's plan to allow humanity to wreak havoc on innocent lives.
> > > People talk about an almighty God, songs about God being in control
> > > and working in strange ways. People emerge from tragic accidents with
> > > the claim that God was watching over them but isn't it plain and clear
> > > that God wasn't watching over them when they had the accident and the
> > > other people lost their lives. That doesn't make a bit of sense. The
> > > one thing that is completely unapparent in this life is the presence
> > > of a loving God or if you call this love, imagine what it would be
> > > like if we were hated, maybe we are. Perhaps we have been lost or
> > > abandoned in this galaxy and left to our own devices.
>
> > The latter, Slip. Abandoned. Out of fear because, although we're
> > quite clever, we haven't yet taken it on board that there's a God
> > behind all this. Until we sort ourselves out spiritually, we are a
> > danger to ourselves and the local galactic community.
>
> > > On Sep 24, 10:50 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Hi Pat!
> > > > Congratulations for writing what most people fear to write!
>
> > > > Finally I have heard one of the good news, which is that you are
> > > > writing a theory about religious reconciliations, I feel myself that
> > > > the time has come when humanity needs to do something about it, and I
> > > > am glad that you are doing something about it.
> > > > I think that I am lucky enough to be one of the first to have heard
> > > > about it.
> > > > I must confess that I have a theory of my own for religious
> > > > reconciliation, which I am going to write down somehow; but as you can
> > > > see from my writings I am not a well educated person, and therefore my
> > > > theory can only be written in simple English. Anyhow this theory of
> > > > mine is a bit radical in nature, so, I guess that most people will not
> > > > even look at it, if it falls under their nose.
> > > > But a man must do what a man believes is the right thing to do, so I
> > > > will try to write it even it is going to be very hard for me to do
> > > > it.
> > > > In a way I have already started it, and part of it can be found
> > > > through one of my blog called, Manfraco.blogspot.com, You can Google
> > > > my blog and navigate through the links and find Prayers of
> > > > Reconciliation.
> > > > I really wish I could read what you are writing soon, so that I could
> > > > have an idea how far apart our beliefs place us.
> > > > My best wishes and regards
> > > > Manfraco
>
> > > > On Sep 25, 2:11 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On 24 Sep, 15:40, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > Hah I think you're endevour is doomed to failure my friend, you
> > can't
> > > > > > even get the half of us here to agree withyour idea, what hope for
> > the
> > > > > > rest of the world.
>
> > > > > Some things take time. I don't, for a minute, think I'll be
> > around
> > > > > when the philosophy finally sinks in. As you say, there are far too
> > > > > many people who will think they have 'lost' something (like you and
> > > > > 'free will', when, in fact, you never had it) and take exception.
> > > > > But, over time, as the truth sinks in and we have more and more
> > > > > reasons to accept the implications of space-time, THEN things will
> > get
> > > > > better.
>
> > > > > > We are strange wonderous cretures us human beings, so diverse, so
> > > > > > differant from even each other. For each excelnet idea, plan or
> > > > > > proposal there will forever be (I fear) opposition.
>
> > > > > In fact, I feel that opposition to my ideas is a required part of
> > > > > the process. And, unfortunately, one that will have drastic effects
> > > > > that might seem horrible at the time but, later, when the opposition
> > > > > has been reduced, the goodness can have a chance to come out.
> > > > > Besides, there's a part of me that is counting on another individual
> > > > > who will come later (when even MORE science can back up my
> > > > > speculations) and make it more obvious to the masses. And, I have
> > > > > every reason to believe that that person doesn't, yet, exist. So,
> > > > > we're talking 'no permanent peace' as a result of my efforts for
> > > > > around 2-3 generations. For the world, that's a drop in the bucket.
>
> > > > > > Ohhh but all luck to you indeed Pat. And when I recive my copy of
> > the
> > > > > > book, we'll I'll leave it lying around open at random pages and see
> > > > > > what happens.
>
> > > > > I expect, if you leave it near an open window, the pages will,
> > > > > miraculously, turn to reveal other pages. But I wouldn't agree that
> > > > > ANY of them would be random...just incalculable. ;-)
>
> > > > > > On 24 Sep, 15:35, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On 24 Sep, 14:11, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Hi Pat noble dream and I really do hope you have found away.
> > > > > > > > If you have I will support you all they way.
>
> > > > > > > > sadly you are talking two groups of people whose leadership in
> > only
> > > > > > > > interested in personal agendas and nothing more.
> > > > > > > > good luck...
> > > > > > > > Allan
>
> > > > > > > Yeah, it's a nasty part of my personality, I really see that
> > area
> > > > > > > of the world as problematic and can see many solutions, but none
> > of
> > > > > > > the 'people in charge' seem to be thinking about solutions. So,
> > if I
> > > > > > > present them in a book, and the ideas appeal to their respective
> > > > > > > populations, they MAY be forced to cave-in to popular demand.
> > The
> > > > > > > problem with that is that the respective populations have their
> > own
> > > > > > > blood-feuds going on and some brave souls are going to have to
> > lay
> > > > > > > down their weapons first and then extend their hand in
> > friendship.
> > > > > > > Right now, they seen to have few reasons for doing that.
> > Hopefully,
> > > > > > > my book will give them plenty of reasons to do it.
>
> > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Pat <
> > [email protected]> wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > On 24 Sep, 04:57, Manfraco Frank the Elder <
> > [email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > God’s Purpose –Minds Eye
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Pat!
> > > > > > > > > > From what you are saying, you think that somewhere somehow
> > religious
> > > > > > > > > > people will one day come to an understanding of the present
> > perilous
> > > > > > > > > > religious situation and accept each other more openly, and
> > in doing so
> > > > > > > > > > they would avoid future fighting between religions?
> > > > > > > > > > I really hope you are right Pat:
> > > > > > > > > > But what I see here it is going to be very tricky indeed as
> > you said
> > > > > > > > > > yourself; so, how do you see this change of religious heart
> > is going
> > > > > > > > > > to start!?
> > > > > > > > > > What is going to be the catalyst that
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