Yes OM 'Influenced' is the word here I think.


On 7 Oct, 00:14, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> Beyond the all too common “Yes it is.”, “No, it isn’t.”, “Define your
> terms.”, “It is all relative.”…and associated ‘humor’, the question is
> of note.
>
> There are almost countless levels to the issue. In an attempt at
> narrowing the question down a little, I will suggest that torturing a
> person is one method of producing ‘successful’ compliance. Also, in
> many cases the existence of ‘their will’ seems to be absent to the
> point where suggestion can produce exhibited behavioral change.
> Hypnosis and other forms of trance production might fall into this
> category. What about subliminal suggestions? This was a big topic a
> couple of decades ago. Recently, one hears nothing about it. Is this a
> result of lobbying efforts of the masters thereof? I suggest that if
> advertising didn’t “work” (produce behavioral change), it wouldn’t be
> used. Overall, the manufacturing of consent is an interesting topic.
>
> One case has fascinated me for quite a while. Charlie Manson. “…He was
> convicted of conspiracy to commit the Tate/LaBianca murders, carried
> out by members of the group [the Mansion Family] at his instruction…”
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson
>
> It was around this time, as best as I can remember that the notion of
> ‘conspiracy’ arose in US jurisprudence. Until that time, I seem to
> remember that what a person said or said alone was not a crime. Here
> we have one person telling other people to do something. They did it.
> He didn’t do it. He was convicted of doing it. So, apparently in the
> US law, one can have the power to cause others to do things whether
> they want to or not. At the time, I thought this conclusion left out
> the notion of self responsibility. Are we not responsible for our
> actions? The common question of ‘Would you jump off of a cliff if told
> to do so?’ points to this concept.
>
> As far as I can tell, it is generally accepted that people can be
> influenced against their will even though often there exists the
> apparently conflicting notion of being responsible for one’s own
> actions.
>
> This is a knot that appears to be Gordian in nature. Yet, when one
> includes the notion of a unified, omnipresent ‘mind’ that we all
> access, the untying becomes easier. This is a topic we have already
> addressed at length.
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