I think most of what we do is against our will.  A student blurted
this out to me a few months ago 'Why is it so fucking hard to do the
things you want to?'  She was crying and feeling rejected by the
world.  I think she's quite artie and talented, lucky to be pretty,
good with people - but I also know that whilst I have managed to do
the right thing from time to time I often feel the same way (for an
ugly scientist).  Doing what is necessary to live comes hard enough in
many situations and there seems little opportunity to work at what one
wants.  All the years of delayed gratification can seem to amount to
less than a hill of beans.  Even to succeed in dropping out in comfort
one has to give up on trying to do anything about a better world other
from whatever you don't exclude and are ripping-off in order to have
resources.

On 8 Oct, 04:42, Doris Ragland <[email protected]> wrote:
> very good...I could of looked that up I have a dictonary also...but one
> thing I did'nt find in my is the coment hooker...Since you mind goes
> there..where is your mind ????????? Don't answer that....God Bless
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM, frantheman <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Well, Doris, I'm inclined to think that we have different words to
> > designate different meanings, unless they are synonymous, which is not
> > so in the case of "weak" and "meek". The following two definitions are
> > from Webster [1913] and clearly refer to two very different states:
>
> > Meek \Meek\ (m[=e]k), a. [Compar. Meeker (m[=e]k"[~e]r);
> >   superl. Meekest.] [OE. mek, meoc; akin to Icel. mj[=u]kr
> >   mild, soft, Sw. mjuk, Dan. myg, D. muik, Goth. mukam[=o]dei
> >   gentleness.]
> >   1. Mild of temper; not easily provoked or orritated; patient
> >      under injuries; not vain, or haughty, or resentful;
> >      forbearing; submissive.
> >      [1913 Webster]
>
> >            Now the man Moses was very meek.      --Num. xii. 3.
> >      [1913 Webster]
>
> >   2. Evincing mildness of temper, or patience; characterized by
> >      mildness or patience; as, a meek answer; a meek face. "Her
> >      meek prayer." --Chaucer.
> >      [1913 Webster]
>
> >   Syn: Gentle; mild; soft; yielding; pacific; unassuming;
> >        humble. See Gentle.
> >        [1913 Webster] Meek
> >http://freedictionary.org/?Query=meek&button=Search
>
> > Weak \Weak\ (w[=e]k), a. [Compar. Weaker (w[=e]k"[~e]r);
> >   superl. Weakest.] [OE. weik, Icel. veikr; akin to Sw. vek,
> >   Dan. veg soft, flexible, pliant, AS. w[=a]c weak, soft,
> >   pliant, D. week, G. weich, OHG. weih; all from the verb seen
> >   in Icel. v[imac]kja to turn, veer, recede, AS. w[imac]can to
> >   yield, give way, G. weichen, OHG. w[imac]hhan, akin to Skr.
> >   vij, and probably to E. week, L. vicis a change, turn, Gr.
> >   e'i`kein to yield, give way. [root]132. Cf. Week, Wink,
> >   v. i. Vicissitude.]
> > Not possessing or manifesting intellectual, logical,
> >      moral, or political strength, vigor, etc. Specifically:
> >      [1913 Webster]
> >      (a) Feeble of mind; wanting discernment; lacking vigor;
> >          spiritless; as, a weak king or magistrate.
> >          [1913 Webster]
>
> >                To think every thing disputable is a proof of a
> >                weak mind and captious temper.    --Beattie.
> >          [1913 Webster]
>
> >                Origen was never weak enough to imagine that
> >                there were two Gods.              --Waterland.
> >          [1913 Webster]
> >      (b) Resulting from, or indicating, lack of judgment,
> >          discernment, or firmness; unwise; hence, foolish.
> >          [1913 Webster]
>
> >                If evil thence ensue,
> >                She first his weak indulgence will accuse.
> >                                                  --Milton.
> >          [1913 Webster]
> >      (c) Not having full confidence or conviction; not decided
> >          or confirmed; vacillating; wavering.
> >          [1913 Webster]
>
> >                Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but
> >                not to doubtful disputations.     --Rom. xiv. 1.
> >          [1913 Webster]
> >      (d) Not able to withstand temptation, urgency, persuasion,
> >          etc.; easily impressed, moved, or overcome;
> >          accessible; vulnerable; as, weak resolutions; weak
> >          virtue.
> >          [1913 Webster]
>
> >                Guard thy heart
> >                On this weak side, where most our nature fails.
> >                                                  --Addison.
> >          [1913 Webster]
> >      (e) Wanting in power to influence or bind; as, weak ties;
> >          a weak sense of honor of duty.
> >          [1913 Webster]
> >      (f) Not having power to convince; not supported by force
> >          of reason or truth; unsustained; as, a weak argument
> >          or case. "Convinced of his weak arguing." --Milton.
> >          [1913 Webster]
>
> >                A case so weak . . . hath much persisted in.
> >                                                  --Hooker.
> >          [1913 Webster]
> >      (g) Wanting in point or vigor of expression; as, a weak
> >          sentence; a weak style.
> >          [1913 Webster]
> >      (h) Not prevalent or effective, or not felt to be
> >          prevalent; not potent; feeble. "Weak prayers." --Shak.
> >          [1913 Webster]
> >      (i) Lacking in elements of political strength; not
> >          wielding or having authority or energy; deficient in
> >          the resources that are essential to a ruler or nation;
> >          as, a weak monarch; a weak government or state.
> >          [1913 Webster]
>
> >                I must make fair weather yet awhile,
> >                Till Henry be more weak, and I more strong.
> >                                                  --Shak.
> >          [1913 Webster]
> >      (k) (Stock Exchange) Tending towards lower prices; as, a
> >          weak market.
> >          [1913 Webster]
> >http://freedictionary.org/?Query=weak&button=Search
>
> > On 7 Okt., 21:20, Doris Ragland <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > weak-as someone being meek
>
> > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:07 AM, frantheman <[email protected]
> > >wrote:
>
> > > > I have trouble understanding what is meant by the term "weak
> > > > character." In my experience, it is usually used as a (derogatory)
> > > > judgement by one person with respect to another.
>
> > > > Francis
>
> > > > On 7 Okt., 14:07, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > I think therapy and related band-aids are a way to justify our weak-
> > > > > wills. Whether blaming our childhood or Original Sin, it's easier to
> > > > > construct a drama than admit we were stupid or had a weak
> > character.//
> > > > > Definitely think most men are stronger than women in muscle strength
> > > > > (pickle jar test) but God had a sense of humor and divided their
> > > > > brains for most of their lives allowing women to develop wiles and
> > the
> > > > > arts of calculation. :-)
>
> > > > > On Oct 6, 2:59 pm, Matthijs <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > (It's called therapy)
>
> > > > > > On 6 okt, 16:51, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Is it possible to force somebody to an action against their
> > will?-
> > > > Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -
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