Now that explains your sickness, Neil, and gives you the right to
teach the mice to always keep the cats in your house on their highest
possible entertainment level.

On 9 Okt., 15:36, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> This all is one reason I have been ‘into’ metaphysics for quite a
> while now Neil. Like you, I had looked around and found most
> institutions and methods to be at the least disappointing along with
> one’s own associated sense of disillusionment. Having already explored
> religion and finding most institutions thereof to be hollow or vapid
> at best, turning to a larger area, that of metaphysics was but one
> more attempt at feeling whole. It includes the healthy skepticism you
> embody along with the physics of the thing. I already had looked into
> physics in general and saw its value and limitations…the same for
> mathematics and rhetoric. I ‘did’ the arts for a long time and
> eventually found even them lacking although I still do appreciate much
> in this area. And when it comes to politics, the wide divide between
> ideals and current practices makes such pursuits anathema.
>
> Overall, metaphysics can offer the value of skepticism in the sense of
> looking for the ‘gold’ and not getting bogged down in your now
> infamous ‘dross’. Having ‘done’ skepticism in the now traditional
> arena of reduction ad absurdum and being left ‘empty’ along with
> intuitively sensing the associated nihilism and its full vacuousness,
> I continued to explore.
>
> Within many schools one’s activity is pointed towards ‘doing’ in the
> sense of not for one’s self alone but for all of humanity. This
> orientation has a function and a result. Also, there comes a point
> where one doesn’t mess so much with ‘the painting’ having recognized
> the temporary and actual nature of appearances. So, in the Hinayana
> sense, one reaches a personal state while in a Mahayana sense, one is
> by clarifying one’s self doing it for us all. Here it all is Vajrayana
> too.
>
> Of course, from the Sufi perspective, self observation is a paramount
> step. Only when one knows the parameters of the observing locus can
> one feel any comfort and confidence it that which is observed. Also,
> there are other methods including the actual reverse, that of
> observing the apparent external and ignoring the internal.
>
> Now, outside of this, regardless of apparently external motivators let
> alone one’s own idealistic drive, there is no blame for living in the
> world, protestations for ‘right livelihood’ aside. What has been found
> before to be distractions now becomes mirrors to the source of all.
> Even using an outmoded form of inquiry, an analysis of the importance
> of adapting AND believing the resultant behavior/thinking is reality
> itself finds its death when eternity and the finality of this life is
> included. Many consider death at the core of philosophy, I agree. And,
> there is much ‘dross’ in the literature and even more to the point of
> impossibility when it comes to current trends.
>
> Pat has his focus, Vam his…even lee et al share their paths openly.
> This never ending process of disclosure, followed by reintegration
> followed by diffusion again is but a part of the cyclical process.
>
> Enough of this waxing poetic/esoteric/stream of consciousness! It is
> all chitta or mindstuff anyway!
>
> Perhaps you will return to the pub, perhaps not. Perhaps a different
> culture and/or profession, perhaps not. The adventure goes on. Of
> course, like the Tarot, one starts out as the Fool and after the
> entire deck is traversed, one returns as a Fool too, however this time
> with the knowledge of the deck. There are few true mystery schools
> today and many that do exist are rejected for one reason or another,
> often replaced with either the meme of the day and/or one’s own
> philosopher charlatan theory.
>
> In health, be well!
>
> On Oct 9, 5:20 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I've given up teaching in universities.  They have failed to find the
> > real aims of education and perhaps were always to elitist to be fit
> > for this purpose.  Education is increasingly a vile, trillion-dollar
> > international business - though I'm very grateful to our local primary
> > school for its efforts locally - I'd find it hard to fault a
> > magnificent, caring staff.  Yet I would advocate a 'de-schooling' in
> > order that we could all start learning work across the globe.  I make
> > the proviso that this would have to include armed services working on
> > a democratic basis - a massive problem.
> > I took a stance that university education can be technical - but that
> > this has to be in a wider context of trying to do something decent
> > with lives and the planet - maybe further in my wilder sci-fi dreams.
> > One key element concerns teaching people how to learn - this
> > containing an obvious element about how we come to know what best to
> > teach, an argument very similar to 'who polices the police'?
>
> > There are no 'blank slates' to teach - even in primary schools.  Kids
> > come from a variety of backgrounds, often very problematic - whether
> > from poverty or wealth.  One issue in deciding what education is about
> > is the way in which routes through privileged schools and universities
> > exist and attract parents prepared to pay very high fees.  This
> > applies across the globe.  In this model 'education' retains its Greek
> > origin 'to make like a Duke' - something very elitist and to do with
> > the sham of meritocracy.  Parents believe this privileged form of
> > education gives great advantages - in the UK you only have to look at
> > the success of public schools and elite universities in placing
> > students in professions - a royal route also found in the more
> > 'egalitarian' France (the book had 'the making of a European business
> > elite' in the title).  I doubt there is any connection between
> > 'intelligence-talent' and success in this system - but such
> > meritocracy is only part of what we should be trying to do and should
> > not lead to the 'success' it does in any case.
>
> > Even most university students have little clue (even on graduation) on
> > intrapersonal intelligence (to some extent Orn's intraspection), how
> > to keep learning about insight on skills and the lack of them in the
> > area.  They can't really do research either and will mostly have
> > actively avoided it.  There are frequent claims in class that to be
> > taught independent thinking and 'finding out' only leads them into
> > conflict with the 'hymn sheet singing' employers expect.  It's almost
> > impossible to teach anything of value, other than what can be used
> > technically, either in a science (not many jobs) or as a functionary
> > (lawyer, accountant, manager, teacher ...) serving interests not to be
> > questioned.  To be teaching at all in a university one is already a
> > functionary and already not 'universal' in the sense that one's duties
> > are limited.
>
> > With the Internet, we should be able to make great strides in creating
> > a free and easily searchable resource for people to learn on their own
> > - our learned papers should be available to all (most are actually so
>
 > vapid no one would want them, which is why they remain so 'secret'
-
> > laughably available at great cost and often mere plagiarism or as dumb
> > as 'Chicken Soup for the Soul').  Most university teaching is now
> > located somewhere near what a grammar school 5th form used to get.
>
> > I would want people to explore 'what motivates you, what do you think
> > motivates others, ho mmight we improve matters' (we can all do this) -
> > yet this collapses to 'critically evaluate process and content
> > theories of motivation at work'.  The answer to this latter is much
> > more simple (find the answer in the text book your tutor has given you
> > and from which her lectures are delivered using notes from the
> > publisher).  We basically rank and grade on this copying ability.  I
> > might set an apparently more complex question that appears radical.
> > 'Critically evaluate Foucauldian Accounting's Contribution to the
> > Deconstruction of World Bank Policy' - but this is just the same in
> > some ways a a shrewd sstudent can find the 'answer' in another text
> > book.  A colleague once announced his students had finally discovered
> > Gramsci was the answer to everything (and nothing) in one module -
> > they had simply shrewdly assessed the lecturer's preferences.  Hewas
> >
> asking me to remark a brilliant paper zeroed by the lecturer which
> > equated Margaret Thatcher and Gramsci - actually excellent parallels -
> > the lecturer merely annoyed his idol had been exposed.
>
> > Beyond this we should be out ofhe clasassrooms doing stuff - or at
> > least organising our students in doing stuff - creating some kind of
> > valid economy of people doing worthwhile stuff and learning where most
> > learning takes place - in action.  Instead we have a sickening
> > 'Chinese Bureaucracy' of temporary bookishness.   I always wonder what
> > right I have to teach, what knowledges - yet no such 'reflection'
> > takes place in regard to the world  offer to w work in - even as we
> > see it burning the planet and wi no answerer to pre-historic problems
> > of war, greed and survival.  I feel like a chemist making great
> > discoveries, only for them to be poured into a festeri septic tanknk!
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