As to Rand, I find her to be anathema.

Truth is of value. Truth and reason are only one aspect of humanity
and thus any system based on a partial view of our ‘being’ will not
address the other aspects.

Two kinds of democracy:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/video/f9OP2YXKIFs-noam-chomsky-two-kinds-of.aspx

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“Do not be alarmed, I have no dynamite in my pocket…Education is the
only bomb sanctioned by true anarchism, which stands for freedom in
the truest and highest sense.” – Emma Goldman




On Nov 20, 4:56 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> Truth be that it is and has been, but it doesn't seem to correlate
> with democracy and therefore we the people as has been demonstrated,
> have been duped and cajoled into what is basically a falsehood.
> Randian and Randism are terms that Ayn Rand detests and I can see that
> you could have just set it as Ayn Rand socioeconomics. The rest is
> based upon socialist and communist presumptions of a lack of inner
> light, and I agree, but they are not without validity if founded upon
> pure truth politics.  Let's face it, no system works without truth
> within its tenets, which coincides with Rands tenet of Reason leading
> the way.  The system of government within which we live in today does
> not reflect that of the government of reason that the founding fathers
> envisioned. Everyone loves to chew on Rand but you have to admit that
> some of it has value, even if it lies in the value of alternate
> aspect.
>
> On Nov 20, 3:43 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > The US has always been mostly an oligarchy with some fascist
> > tendencies. There has always been an extreme divide between the
> > socioeconomic classes with a short lessoning of this for a few decades
> > last century. However during that era, the tax structure was the most
> > progressive and the US reached its zenith economically during the same
> > time period. Those who embrace Ayn Randian socioeconomic theories like
> > the neo-cons at once expand the economic divide and exacerbate human
> > suffering with a lack of empathy and compassion, similar to pure
> > capitalism. Even when socialism and communism are founded on a lack of
> > inner light and wisdom does a similar chaos and arising of non-
> > idealism result. The problem is not ‘out there’. We all have met the
> > enemy and it is us.
>
> > __
> > “Do not be alarmed, I have no dynamite in my pocket…Education is the
> > only bomb sanctioned by true anarchism, which stands for freedom in
> > the truest and highest sense.” – Emma Goldman
>
> > On Nov 20, 6:54 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy
> > > out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another
> > > person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to
> > > anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody
> > > else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to
> > > work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when
> > > the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because
> > > somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend,
> > > is about the end of any nation...You cannot multiply wealth by
> > > dividing it.." Dr. Adrian Rogers
>
> > > Obviously our nation has been crumbling for some time.  We've seen our
> > > manufacturing giants fall and corporate outsourcing leave people
> > > stranded.  The government has become too large and dysfunctional and
> > > impotent other than its ability to waste taxpayer dollars, 98 billion
> > > in 2009.  They could have given taxpayers thousands each to stimulate
> > > the economy, but that would have been too obvious and too easy.
> > > Instead they "take what we work for" and toss billions of taxpayer
> > > monies, to Wall street, Banks, and the Auto industry with much of it
> > > going to multi-million dollar bonuses to executives for doing
> > > absolutely nothing.  It is obvious that the government is no longer a
> > > governing body for the people but merely a tool used by the wealthy
> > > for the wealthy, an entity without a conscience. People have become
> > > just cogs in the mechanism of operational finance, pawns in servitude
> > > to the moguls in power.   People have lost their jobs, homes, health
> > > benefits, investments and more as simple collateral damage, while the
> > > politicians are still gainfully employed and the wealthy are getting
> > > the creme de la creme of the good life on the backs of the working
> > > class.  I'm a bit amazed at the complacency of the people who just get
> > > slapped and turn the other cheek.
>
> > > I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
> > > liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow
> > > private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by
> > > inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will
> > > grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until
> > > their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers
> > > conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and
> > > restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.  Thomas Jefferson
>
> > > And so it is, banks deposing masses of people from their dwellings
> > > without  compassion, just the enforcement of a mortgage agreement, one
> > > which affords them the ability to earn multi-million dollar salaries
> > > annually.  I'm just dismayed at the sight of what has happened to this
> > > once great country.  I feel sold out.  At this time in our history
> > > with the day of Thanksgiving approaching and some asking what it is we
> > > have to be thankful for, I can only look at my own small world in
> > > order to be thankful but not without looking at the big picture, the
> > > face of poverty around me, the pleas from local food banks and charity
> > > organizations living in the shadows of great wealth.  Are we not just
> > > turkeys ourselves, bred for the feast?- Hide quoted text -
>
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