True On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 5:08 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> I go along almost all the way here Slip, though I don't like Randism. > Truth eludes us in the absolute sense and I probably agree with Rorty > that we wouldn't know when we had achieved it even if we could. One > can look at Orn's citation of Emma Goldman and agree, yet see that the > world's population has increased three-fold since we were kids, find > no decent revolution anywhere and worry that certain types will soon > be using the term 'carbon footprint' with the same callous intent > carried by 'collateral damage'. Politics, as Slip says through > Mencken, is screwed. > > I'd slip off to the fact that we could now operate real-time feedback > in evaluating what we are doing in order to be more truthful. > Technology could get the banks and politicians off our backs and bring > about more direct democracy that had no room for the 'demas'. The > design of this would require that we take genuine looks at what goes > on in terms of cover-up and manipulation. Yet how do we start when > honesty is such a joke? > > On 21 Nov, 16:33, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > “I don't find anyone to be anathema, I find the word harsh, > > especially > > based on opinionated views that don't coincide with yours. Sometimes > > enlightenment can lead one into darkness, like the far right. > > Impartiality is hand in hand with being open minded.” – SD > > > > Cool Slip!...you not finding anyone anathema and all. > > > > And, harsh or not, the term is a part of our language and as such has > > specific uses. I mostly reserve it for those I sense are professing > > things against humanity. Having impartially approached Ms. Rand in an > > open-minded way, in fact I dare say as an idealist looking for new and > > preferable ideologies and methodologies when I first read her decades > > ago, my conclusion (for I do possess a discriminating mind) is > > precisely as posted. > > > > “Our impartiality is kept for abstract merit and demerit, which none > > of us ever saw.” – George Eliot > > > > “Do not waste your time on Social Questions. What is the matter with > > the poor is Poverty; what is the matter with the rich is Uselessness.” > > – George Bernard Shaw > > > > “The open mind never acts: when we have done our utmost to arrive at a > > reasonable conclusion, we still…must close our minds for the moment > > with a snap, and act dogmatically on our conclusions.” – George > > Bernard Shaw > > > > = = = > > “The ultimate end of all revolutionary social change is to establish > > the sanctity of human life, the dignity of man, the right of every > > human being to liberty and well-being” – Emma Goldman > > > > On Nov 21, 7:40 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't find anyone to be anathema, I find the word harsh, especially > > > based on opinionated views that don't coincide with yours. Sometimes > > > enlightenment can lead one into darkness, like the far right. > > > Impartiality is hand in hand with being open minded. > > > > > The art of politics, under democracy, is simply the art > > > of ringing it. Two branches reveal themselves. There > > > is the art of the demagogue, and there is the art of what > > > may be called, by a shot-gun marriage of Latin and Greek, > > > the demaslave. They are complementary, and both of them > > > are degrading to their practitioners. The demagogue is one > > > who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he > > > knows to be idiots. The demaslave is one who listens to > > > what these idiots have to say and then pretends that he > > > believes it himself. -- H.L. Mencken > > > > > On Nov 20, 11:20 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > As to Rand, I find her to be anathema. > > > > > > Truth is of value. Truth and reason are only one aspect of humanity > > > > and thus any system based on a partial view of our ‘being’ will not > > > > address the other aspects. > > > > > > Two kinds of democracy: > > > > > > > http://www.encyclopedia.com/video/f9OP2YXKIFs-noam-chomsky-two-kinds-... > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > “Do not be alarmed, I have no dynamite in my pocket…Education is the > > > > only bomb sanctioned by true anarchism, which stands for freedom in > > > > the truest and highest sense.” – Emma Goldman > > > > > > On Nov 20, 4:56 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Truth be that it is and has been, but it doesn't seem to correlate > > > > > with democracy and therefore we the people as has been > demonstrated, > > > > > have been duped and cajoled into what is basically a falsehood. > > > > > Randian and Randism are terms that Ayn Rand detests and I can see > that > > > > > you could have just set it as Ayn Rand socioeconomics. The rest is > > > > > based upon socialist and communist presumptions of a lack of inner > > > > > light, and I agree, but they are not without validity if founded > upon > > > > > pure truth politics. Let's face it, no system works without truth > > > > > within its tenets, which coincides with Rands tenet of Reason > leading > > > > > the way. The system of government within which we live in today > does > > > > > not reflect that of the government of reason that the founding > fathers > > > > > envisioned. Everyone loves to chew on Rand but you have to admit > that > > > > > some of it has value, even if it lies in the value of alternate > > > > > aspect. > > > > > > > On Nov 20, 3:43 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > The US has always been mostly an oligarchy with some fascist > > > > > > tendencies. There has always been an extreme divide between the > > > > > > socioeconomic classes with a short lessoning of this for a few > decades > > > > > > last century. However during that era, the tax structure was the > most > > > > > > progressive and the US reached its zenith economically during the > same > > > > > > time period. Those who embrace Ayn Randian socioeconomic theories > like > > > > > > the neo-cons at once expand the economic divide and exacerbate > human > > > > > > suffering with a lack of empathy and compassion, similar to pure > > > > > > capitalism. Even when socialism and communism are founded on a > lack of > > > > > > inner light and wisdom does a similar chaos and arising of non- > > > > > > idealism result. The problem is not ‘out there’. We all have met > the > > > > > > enemy and it is us. > > > > > > > > __ > > > > > > “Do not be alarmed, I have no dynamite in my pocket…Education is > the > > > > > > only bomb sanctioned by true anarchism, which stands for freedom > in > > > > > > the truest and highest sense.” – Emma Goldman > > > > > > > > On Nov 20, 6:54 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > "You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the > wealthy > > > > > > > out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, > another > > > > > > > person must work for without receiving. The government cannot > give to > > > > > > > anybody anything that the government does not first take from > somebody > > > > > > > else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not > have to > > > > > > > work because the other half is going to take care of them, and > when > > > > > > > the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work > because > > > > > > > somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear > friend, > > > > > > > is about the end of any nation...You cannot multiply wealth by > > > > > > > dividing it.." Dr. Adrian Rogers > > > > > > > > > Obviously our nation has been crumbling for some time. We've > seen our > > > > > > > manufacturing giants fall and corporate outsourcing leave > people > > > > > > > stranded. The government has become too large and > dysfunctional and > > > > > > > impotent other than its ability to waste taxpayer dollars, 98 > billion > > > > > > > in 2009. They could have given taxpayers thousands each to > stimulate > > > > > > > the economy, but that would have been too obvious and too easy. > > > > > > > Instead they "take what we work for" and toss billions of > taxpayer > > > > > > > monies, to Wall street, Banks, and the Auto industry with much > of it > > > > > > > going to multi-million dollar bonuses to executives for doing > > > > > > > absolutely nothing. It is obvious that the government is no > longer a > > > > > > > governing body for the people but merely a tool used by the > wealthy > > > > > > > for the wealthy, an entity without a conscience. People have > become > > > > > > > just cogs in the mechanism of operational finance, pawns in > servitude > > > > > > > to the moguls in power. People have lost their jobs, homes, > health > > > > > > > benefits, investments and more as simple collateral damage, > while the > > > > > > > politicians are still gainfully employed and the wealthy are > getting > > > > > > > the creme de la creme of the good life on the backs of the > working > > > > > > > class. I'm a bit amazed at the complacency of the people who > just get > > > > > > > slapped and turn the other cheek. > > > > > > > > > I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our > > > > > > > liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever > allow > > > > > > > private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by > > > > > > > inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that > will > > > > > > > grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all > property until > > > > > > > their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers > > > > > > > conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and > > > > > > > restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. Thomas > Jefferson > > > > > > > > > And so it is, banks deposing masses of people from their > dwellings > > > > > > > without compassion, just the enforcement of a mortgage > agreement, one > > > > > > > which affords them the ability to earn multi-million dollar > salaries > > > > > > > annually. I'm just dismayed at the sight of what has happened > to this > > > > > > > once great country. I feel sold out. At this time in our > history > > > > > > > with the day of Thanksgiving approaching and some asking what > it is we > > > > > > > have to be thankful for, I can only look at my own small world > in > > > > > > > order to be thankful but not without looking at the big > picture, the > > > > > > > face of poverty around me, the pleas from local food banks and > charity > > > > > > > organizations living in the shadows of great wealth. 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