I am sorry Rigsy , Just don't understand where this hatred sexist comment is coming from. if nothing else God simply has no gender. the discussion has not gone down the wikipedia word path but a different tact and if you want the male equivalent it is misandry<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry> Allan
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 2:46 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > I cannot find a word that describes hatred of men beginning in "mis". > Is there one besides the "male chavanist pig" phrase of liberated > women? Did find "misology"- hatred of reason and "misoneism"- hatred > of change.// Also was thinking the fear of women could be linked to > the power of ancient goddesses, priestesses and Druids as well as > their carnal powers- altogether a threat to a patriarchal, > militaristic and material conquest and view of the world- how it > should be governed and what values/ethics can be exploited for an > increase of power and authority. > > On Nov 22, 3:24 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think it starts with the realization the God is the entirety of > > everything. People spend years meditating trying to accomplish this > simple > > concept. > > > > Marco you are beginning to sound like a hindu compartalmentlizing all the > > aspect of God so they can understand Brahman > > Allan > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Indeed, but the trick is in seeing this huh. > > > > > On 18 Nov, 11:35, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > LOL but Lee God is in everything! > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Heh I of course realise that as my particular faith emphasises > seeing > > > > > God in everything. > > > > > > > On 17 Nov, 17:28, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 17 Nov, 16:39, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hah My dear Rigsy I swear to your right now that it is > complelty > > > the > > > > > > > other way around for me. > > > > > > > > > My wife has made a honest man out of me, she veritably saved me > > > from > > > > > > > myself, and for that I owe her everything. > > > > > > > > Your debt is to God alone, as He worked THROUGH your wife to do > those > > > > > > things. It's OK, though, if you thank your wife, as God gets all > > > > > > thanks through us as well, even if we don't realise it. ;-) > > > > > > > > > On 17 Nov, 16:04, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a way, you do- by making an honest woman out of a bedmate > and > > > all > > > > > > > > the stuff you will need to provide plus kids, etc. But the > woman > > > must > > > > > > > > be calculating to begin with. Somehow, I missed that class > but > > > find > > > > > > > > the whole thing pretty amusing at this point in life. > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 9:57 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Haha my dad tells me that we men always pay for sex. > > > > > > > > > > > Now now that's my dad not me you understand? > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Nov, 15:41, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think all women should be paid for sex? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 8:43 am, archytas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you lose a few slates from your roof while you had > > > turned > > > > > into a > > > > > > > > > > > motel Slip? > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, it's immoral to argue from holy text in any kind > of > > > > > > > > > > > fundamentalist manner. We could argue we have been > trapped > > > in > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > kind of mistaken argument and need to break out of it. > > > Science > > > > > > > > > > > probably does and at least allows things to be put to > the > > > test. > > > > > Like > > > > > > > > > > > Slip I have something of a penchant for being > ministered to > > > by > > > > > women, > > > > > > > > > > > though as yet have not experienced being as a motel > yet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Nov, 12:42, Pat <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Nov, 17:03, Slip Disc <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus said 'Our > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father...', not 'My Father...' Pat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes in some context such as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mat 5:16 In the same way, let your light shine > before > > > men, > > > > > that they > > > > > > > > > > > > > may see your good deeds and praise your FATHER in > > > heaven. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mat 6:9 "This, then, is how you should pray: "'Our > > > FATHER > > > > > in heaven, > > > > > > > > > > > > > hallowed be your name, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But then again: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, > Lord,' > > > will > > > > > enter the > > > > > > > > > > > > > kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of > my > > > > > FATHER who is > > > > > > > > > > > > > in heaven. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mat 10:32 "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I > will > > > also > > > > > > > > > > > > > acknowledge him before my FATHER in heaven. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mat 10:33 But whoever disowns me before men, I > will > > > disown > > > > > him before > > > > > > > > > > > > > my FATHER in heaven. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Working on the Sabbath: > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 5:17 Jesus said to them, "My FATHER is always > at > > > his > > > > > work to > > > > > > > > > > > > > this very day, and I, too, am working." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 8:53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? > He > > > > > died, and so > > > > > > > > > > > > > did the prophets. Who do you think you are?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 8:54 Jesus replied, "If I glorify myself, my > > > glory > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing. My FATHER, WHOM YOU CLAIM AS YOUR GOD, is > the > > > one > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > > > glorifies me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more but remember when Mary and Joseph > found > > > > > Jesus in the > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple, Mary asked "Son, why have you treated us > like > > > this? > > > > > Your > > > > > > > > > > > > > father and I have been anxiously searching for > you." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus replied, Luke 2 49 > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Why were you searching for me?" he asked. "Didn't > you > > > > > know I had to > > > > > > > > > > > > > be in my Father's house?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And of course the Garden of Gethsemane: > > > > > > > > > > > > > "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass > from > > > me: > > > > > > > > > > > > > nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. But I note there were no quotes > used > > > from > > > > > The Gospel > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mark, which is the oldest and, therefore, > probably(!) > > > the > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable for quotes of Jesus. Are there any quotes > in > > > Mark > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus uses 'my Father', as Matthew was based on Mark? > If > > > > > not, then we > > > > > > > > > > > > know those "my Father"s in Matthew were added and any > > > Gospel > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > that (Luke and John), quite likely, would/could have > > > added > > > > > even more. > > > > > > > > > > > > Luke was written by Paul's close friend and would > > > naturally > > > > > reflect > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul's 'spin' on Jesus. The most surprising is > Matthew. > > > The > > > > > 7:21 > > > > > > > > > > > > quote at least acknowledges that it is the Will of > God > > > that > > > > > matters > > > > > > > > > > > > and not whether or not one calls Jesus 'Lord'. The > > > 10:32-33 > > > > > quote, > > > > > > > > > > > > though, seems a bit out of kilter with the 7:21 > quote, as > > > it > > > > > implies > > > > > > > > > > > > that, if an individual acknowledges Jesus (in what > way? > > > As > > > > > 'Lord' or > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Son of God'?), Jesus will then acknowledge (again, > in > > > what > > > > > way?) that > > > > > > > > > > > > individual to God, but, because of the 7:21 line, > that > > > may > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > > actually help an individual in any way. So what's > the > > > point > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > > > > > acknowledgement? Or was it just a simple way of > subtly > > > > > injecting > > > > > > > > > > > > Pauline theology? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there is the ongoing controversy concerning > the > > > > > "Trinity". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've never come across any scripture that indicated > any > > > > > "Mother in > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heaven" therefore excluding any feminine aspect of > > > God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No right-minded Jew would envisage a trinity, as God > is > > > One > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > Judaism. Always has been, always will be. The > Trinity > > > was > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > > > > compromise to bring 'pagans'/polytheists into the > Faith > > > by > > > > > making > > > > > > > > > > > > Christianity more polytheistic. Which, of course, is > a > > > > > complete > > > > > > > > > > > > misunderstanding of Judaism and/or Jesus' teachings > and > > > > > anathema to > > > > > > > > > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However in Luke 8:1-3 it clearly shows that Jesus > > > traveled > > > > > about not > > > > > > > > > > > > > only with his disciples but also with women. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Luke 8:1-3 After this, Jesus traveled about from > one > > > town > > > > > and village > > > > > > > > > > > > > to another, proclaiming the good news of the > kingdom of > > > > > God. The > > > > > > > > > > > > > Twelve were with him, and also some women who had > been > > > > > cured of evil > > > > > > > > > > > > > spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from > whom > > > > > seven demons > > > > > > > > > > > > > had come out; Joanna the wife of Cuza, the manager > of > > > > > Herod’s > > > > > > > > > > > > > household; Susanna; and many others. These women > were > > > > > helping to > > > > > > > > > > > > > support them out of their own means. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This was probably very much the scandal in the > time, > > > I'm > > > > > surprised > > > > > > > > > > > > > there weren't some stoning deaths related to the > way > > > Jesus > > > > > scoffed at > > > > > > > > > > > > > the traditional Jewish ruled with his treatment of > > > women. > > > > > Still > > > > > > > > > > > > > though with the inclusion of the many instances of > > > women in > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > presence of Jesus, there remains the absence of > women > > > > > concerning > > > > > > > > > > > > > Divine Heavenly reference. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's because God is beyond gender. That and the > > > fact > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > Semitic languages don't hae a Neuter/Neutral gender, > > > leanving > > > > > only 'he/ > > > > > > > > > > > > him' or 'she/her' as valid pronouns to use for God. > The > > > > > 'default' > > > > > > > > > > > > gender in Semitic languages is Masculine, therefore, > God > > > is > > > > > referred > > > > > > > > > > > > to as 'He'; not because it was felt that God had > gender, > > > but > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > > there was no way of saying 'It'. Also, it avoids the > > > > > possible thought > > > > > > > > > > > > that God, if referred to as female, could be viewed > as a > > > > > begettor, > > > > > > > > > > > > which, again, would be anathema to the beliefs of > > > Judaism. > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=. > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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