Beethoven's 9th is a wonderful example Francis. Sue and I 'saw' (much more than heard) a wonderful amateur performance in Portugal last year. I too am off up the wooden hill, but I'll venture one of my old chestnuts. I have long wanted the Robin Hood myth to be true in the sense of wanting to know its hold on some of us. In one example, only Will Scarlet, the most rough and ready in this characterisation, is not swooned by King Richard (played by a possibly pissed Brian Blessed) and wouldn't trust any of the upper class Normans as long as he could draw breath. In another, the Sheriff of Nottingham is the real hero, trying to change things through collaboration and education (Robin being more of a charismatic prat getting us all killed in hopeless and doomed revolution). In the first, Will saves the others, in the second charisma fails. Orn displays some characteristics of this myth, though is not pretending to be a millennial charismatic. I am still impressed by the Monkey and Water Margins series, with statements like 'to oppose an oppressor is to support him'. The current BBC series 'Spooks' seems to me an example of the opposite and written by establishment gooks purveying the neo-con line. There is a question as to how we make simplexity not about gullible reinforcement, but wiser interpretation. I want to find ways to shorten argumentation, yet know this is too often done through terror and suppression.
On 22 Nov, 22:51, fran the man <[email protected]> wrote: > On 22 Nov., 06:01, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:> I share > your idealism Neil… even when it came to Occham….until I > > noticed that when applied to itself, the razor disappears. > > This dialogue between Neil and Orn has set all kinds of ideas sparking > in my mind - I need more time to let many of them work and come to > some sort of fruit. Some brief comments: > > Master William's sharp instrument is a very useful tool. But we should > remain aware of its nature - as a tool - and, as every good handworker > knows, not every tool is appropriate for every occasion. There's a > word Neil has used here a couple of times, "simplexity", which I like. > There is often wonderful complexity in simple things, and simplicity > too in the complex. There is, I hope, some kind of truth to be > obtained through reason (and it is here that Occam's razor works > best). But there are also truths which express themselves in art, > music, literature, poetry. Ginsberg's "Howl" and Joyce's "Ulysses" > come to mind, as do Monet's "Water Lilies," Beethoven's 9th Symphony > and Pink Floyd's "Saucerful of Secrets." Just examples. Life, both > individual and common, is as much an artwork to be experienced as it > is a problem (or problems) to be solved. As Molly has put it (although > the words here are mine) we need to sustain the paradoxes put forward > by not rejecting one in favour of the other. Holding on to the > apparent opposites, while letting everything go. > > Not very clear, I know, but I can't put it better than this at the > moment. As Pepys put it, and so to bed! > > Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=.
