On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 10:38 PM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> "It came to naught" (or "nought")- an old saying. Naughties are
> another matter.
>
> I do think "the world" has graduated from envy of the USA, don't you?
> Let's discuss thrift and manufacture/labor, for instance. Where do you
> see those promoted, rewarded and extolled in our culture? -Rigsy

Oh yes, we've gone past the envy of the USA we enjoyed in the decades
since WWII.  We've become the pariah.  It's sad to me that
non-American(and half of America it seems as well) Western opinion of
our country has deteriorated to such an extent.  As you say, our
culture has changed.  People brag about their tax breaks/entitlements
instead of being ashamed of them.  More time is spent figuring out how
to avoid or limit taxes then is spent on improving products or
production or just working harder.  As much as Gabby's earlier
derogatory assessment of Americans stung; it has a basis in the truth.
 We're getting fat and lazy.  It's frustrating and it will likely get
worse.  Kenandkids evaluation seems about right to me.

dj



>
> On Nov 28, 10:14 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I must say I don't care for 'Noughties' as the term we use to refer to
>> this decade.  This is a word more suited to sexual accouterments like
>> french ticklers or sleazy nighties.  I'm just sayin'.
>>
>> My hope is that this decade will be remembered as the decade when
>> America discovered it was time to begin reversing the irresponsible
>> spending habits and begin paying off the enormous debt we have
>> incurred and build our businesses and corporations back to the envy of
>> the world.
>>
>> dj
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 10:43 AM, fran the man <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Given the fact that there was no year 0 between BCE and CE in our
>> > calendarial system, you are formally correct; so the first century
>> > ended on December 31st., 100 CE and the 20th. Century at the end of
>> > December, 2000.
>>
>> > Nonetheless, convention normally regards a decade as beginning with
>> > the multiple of 10 and ending ten years later. So we regard the 60s as
>> > beginning in 1960 and the 80s as beginning in 1980. Thus, the
>> > Noughties began on January 1st., 2000 and will therefore end at
>> > midnight on the 31st. of next month.
>>
>> > Francis
>>
>> > On 28 Nov., 17:21, kenandkids <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >> The first decade of the millenium  will end in one year and one month.
>>
>> >> On Nov 28, 3:51 am, fran the man <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Towards the end of the year, reviews start to appear about the the
>> >> > year gone by, what had happened, and its significance.
>>
>> >> > In a month's time, the first decade of the new millenium comes to an
>> >> > end: Here's an interesting analysis of some of the trends which the
>> >> > decade saw. It has, given its source, a bit of Irish emphasis, but I
>> >> > find the major lines of thought interesting. The following paragraph
>> >> > sums it up well:
>>
>> >> > " ... For those of us who have to live with the pain of the fall that
>> >> > followed all this delusional pride, it is little consolation that
>> >> > future historians will probably regard it as a salutary shock. They
>> >> > will say that the illusion of American hyper-power was in fact
>> >> > dangerous and destabilising, that the vast power of an uncontrollable
>> >> > global financial system was a threat to democracy and to real
>> >> > economies, that the oil was running out, that endless consumption was
>> >> > going to destroy the world and that the emergence of a multi-polar
>> >> > global system was a good thing. They will see the Noughties as a
>> >> > period of messy transitions in which clapped-out assumptions kicked
>> >> > and screamed while the world dragged itself agonisingly towards a more
>> >> > sustainable future..."
>>
>> >> >http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2009/1128/1224259593278.html
>>
>> >> > Francis
>>
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