I'm biased? Well yeah. Duh. It might be worth your while to reread your post here when you're feeling a bit calmer. A little bit of the pot calling the kettle black I think. I disagree on Monica's motives. Women are collectors just as much as men are. It's part of the groupie mentality. A cum stained dress is one hell of an autograph. Clearly it was a memento. You are missing the point when you blame the girl. Sure she deserves derision for contributing to the soiling of the American Presidency but that hardly removes guilt from Clinton. She initially lied herself about the affair. She only came clean when the FBI told her Clinton was meeting privately with Ms. Mondale and keeping her waiting at a security check point. Jealousy had her wagging her tongue; not political motivation. I bet Arch can back me up on this one. The wife or girl friend will lie themselves into prison for their man until they think he's cheating on them. Then it's pay back time. Let's use Occam's Razor here and keep the emotions in check; shall we?
For the record I'm glad he wasn't removed from office. Except for being a sorry excuse for a man he was a pretty good president. He had a MUCH better grasp on economics then the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. From your earlier post you seem to agree with former president Nixon. "If the president does it; it's not illegal." I still think perjury is a very serious offense. I'm sorry you apparently disagree. At least if that president is a Democrat. Something tells me you wouldn't be so forgiving if that president was a Republican. Don't forget I'm an individual. In your off the rails diatribe you seem to be lumping me in with every conservative you've ever had cause to hate. I have no enmity towards you personally and I hope you hold none towards me. It's your reasoning I have issues with. I have been ashamed about many things over the years but not about speaking truth to power. Nor am I ashamed of publicly expressing my support for keeping as much of my money as I can. How, when or even IF I use my money to help others should be up to me and no one else. Democracy seems to be turning into some kind of nightmare 'mob rules' scenario where the productive people with useful skills work for all the deadbeats. This kind of society is doomed to fail. Sorry I went off the reservation myself there a tad. The purity police will be displeased. -Don On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Justintruth <[email protected]> wrote: > Your so totally biased in your viewpoint Don. > > You know that an extraordinary amount of money was spent trying to > "get Clinton". The special prosecutor remember? Whitewater? etc etc > etc etc. Years of attempted distortions and abuse of the legal system. > Finally they "got him" in one of the oldest traps in the books - its > called a honeypot - they trapped him with a woman. > > Now you can tell this is true by reflecting on one point and one point > alone. What woman do you know, who after getting a cum stain on her > dress during a blow job, will, instead of rapidly getting it cleaned, > preserve the stain? What possibly would make her do that? There is > only one possible explanation. She wanted evidence. That was what she > was there for. This was an operation conducted by Linda Trip running > her operative Monica. > > Now Clinton was trying to evade this massive trap and cornered tried > to evade with semantics under oath... so now you "got him" ... > suddenly you don't care about sex because you don't need it.... you > got him on perjury... or so you thought....you masked your shame in > your audacity... you went for impeachment... it was a "high crime > or..." Right? > > I am not distorting here. This is the truth. A blind man could see it. > > And you accuse *him* of distortion? Talk about taking a splinter out > of someone else's eye when you have a log in your own! > > What you are saying is just such a complete distortion. You want to > see a liar or a bullshitter, guy? Just look in the mirror. The real > problem is the destruction of peoples lives that you have cost and the > weakening of the ideals we require to remain free. This stuff has had > consequences. Line the innocent dead up and drive by them in a car on > a highway and you will take hours to pass them. Many of them children. > But the worse has been the contamination of our ideals and the > prostitution of bravery. You should be ashamed of yourself and what > your "distortions" have caused. > > ... and still it goes on.... > > > > On Nov 30, 3:20 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> That was pretty cool. Not sure if you're implying Rummy is lying here >> 'cause if that's your point I'm totally missing it. I remember the >> Glass Box. We had one at the local Jo Jo's which became a Denny's >> about ten years ago. It was fun to watch the kids try for the stuffed >> monkey banging the cymbals together. The image is a good analogy for >> the global warmist's efforts to keep alive their failing 'science.' >> Keep chasing that monkey or dragon or whatever if you want to I say. >> It is wise to remember hope is a fragile thing. >> >> I think i just went Gabbyly enigmatic there. >> >> -Don >> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 4:53 PM, ornamentalmind >> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > The Poetry of D.H. Rumsfeld >> > Recent works by the secretary of defense. >> >> > By Hart SeelyPosted Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 1:03 PM ET >> >> > Rumsfeld's free-speaking verseSecretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld is >> > an accomplished man. Not only is he guiding the war in Iraq, he has >> > been a pilot, a congressman, an ambassador, a businessman, and a civil >> > servant. But few Americans know that he is also a poet. >> >> > Until now, the secretary's poetry has found only a small and skeptical >> > audience: the Pentagon press corps. Every day, Rumsfeld regales >> > reporters with his jazzy, impromptu riffs. Few of them seem to >> > appreciate it. >> >> > But we should all be listening. Rumsfeld's poetry is paradoxical: It >> > uses playful language to address the most somber subjects: war, >> > terrorism, mortality. Much of it is about indirection and evasion: He >> > never faces his subjects head on but weaves away, letting inversions >> > and repetitions confuse and beguile. His work, with its dedication to >> > the fractured rhythms of the plainspoken vernacular, is reminiscent of >> > William Carlos Williams'. Some readers may find that Rumsfeld's gift >> > for offhand, quotidian pronouncements is as entrancing as Frank >> > O'Hara's. >> >> > And so Slate has compiled a collection of Rumsfeld's poems, bringing >> > them to a wider public for the first time. The poems that follow are >> > the exact words of the defense secretary, as taken from the official >> > transcripts on the Defense Department Web site. >> >> > The Unknown >> >> > As we know, >> > There are known knowns. >> > There are things we know we know. >> > We also know >> > There are known unknowns. >> > That is to say >> > We know there are some things >> > We do not know. >> > But there are also unknown unknowns, >> > The ones we don't know >> > We don't know. >> > —Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing >> >> > Glass Box >> >> > You know, it's the old glass box at the— >> > At the gas station, >> > Where you're using those little things >> > Trying to pick up the prize, >> > And you can't find it. >> > It's— >> > And it's all these arms are going down in there, >> > And so you keep dropping it >> > And picking it up again and moving it, >> > But— >> > Some of you are probably too young to remember those— >> > Those glass boxes, >> > But— >> > But they used to have them >> > At all the gas stations >> > When I was a kid. >> > —Dec. 6, 2001, Department of Defense news briefing >> >> > A Confession >> >> > Once in a while, >> > I'm standing here, doing something. >> > And I think, >> > "What in the world am I doing here?" >> > It's a big surprise. >> > —May 16, 2001, interview with the New York Times >> >> > Happenings >> >> > You're going to be told lots of things. >> > You get told things every day that don't happen. >> > It doesn't seem to bother people, they don't— >> > It's printed in the press. >> > The world thinks all these things happen. >> > They never happened. >> > Everyone's so eager to get the story >> > Before in fact the story's there >> > That the world is constantly being fed >> > Things that haven't happened. >> > All I can tell you is, >> > It hasn't happened. >> > It's going to happen. >> > —Feb. 28, 2003, Department of Defense briefing >> >> > The Digital Revolution >> >> > Oh my goodness gracious, >> > What you can buy off the Internet >> > In terms of overhead photography! >> > A trained ape can know an awful lot >> > Of what is going on in this world, >> > Just by punching on his mouse >> > For a relatively modest cost! >> > —June 9, 2001, following European trip >> >> > The Situation >> >> > Things will not be necessarily continuous. >> > The fact that they are something other than perfectly continuous >> > Ought not to be characterized as a pause. >> > There will be some things that people will see. >> > There will be some things that people won't see. >> > And life goes on. >> > —Oct. 12, 2001, Department of Defense news briefing >> >> > Clarity >> >> > I think what you'll find, >> > I think what you'll find is, >> > Whatever it is we do substantively, >> > There will be near-perfect clarity >> > As to what it is. >> > And it will be known, >> > And it will be known to the Congress, >> > And it will be known to you, >> > Probably before we decide it, >> > But it will be known. >> > —Feb. 28, 2003, Department of Defense briefing >> >> >http://www.slate.com/id/2081042/ >> >> > On Nov 30, 2:28 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> regarding claims about global warming: are they really liars? Or >> >> >> > mere bullshitters? >> >> >> A bit of both probably. Even the most egregious departures from truth >> >> can, and often are, rationalized. Here's my personal favorite. >> >> >> "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if >> >> 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If >> >> it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, >> >> if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual >> >> relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the >> >> present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely >> >> true." >> >> >> Chutzpah, ladies and gentlemen, has no limits. >> >> >> -Don >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Alan Wostenberg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > On Nov 29, 7:58 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> We can bleat forever about the nature of truth. I generally prefer a >> >> >> limited notion of truth and honesty against lies and deception. >> >> >> > "Truth" says Aristotle, "is saying of what is that it is, and of what >> >> > is not that it is not". A liar, according to Mortimer Adler, is one >> >> > who willfully displaces his ontological predicates: he says of what is >> >> > that it is not, or of what is not that it is. You say people lie and >> >> > deceive about "global warming". The first thing to know about lying is >> >> > that it is not the same as speaking falsehood. The liar knows he's >> >> > lying. This means a) he knows the truth b) he speaks otherwise >> >> >> > The the liar, like the honest man, respects the truth. The liar knows >> >> > he is lying. This is in stark contrast to the bullshitter >> >> > (http://tr.im/GcDf). >> >> > Now, regarding claims about global warming: are they really liars? 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