“…What I say is if this is the case, then what is the need for one special day of the year in which to do this?...” – Lee
Exactly Lee! And, extended to the trappings of any specific theology, your question remains valid even though it isn’t an argument. Turned into the latter, the specific and varying rituals seldom if ever are essential. On Dec 11, 9:09 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry Molly you misunderstand me. I do not claim that those who enjoy > time with their families at Xmas fail to do so the rest of the year, > what I ask is, for a non Christian what is the point of Xmas? > > Normaly when this question is asked, the answer will inveriably be > along the lines of spending time with loved ones, and perhaps even > showing them what they mean to you by gifts etc... > > What I say is if this is the case, then what is the need for one > special day of the year in which to do this? > > As to judgeing, I simply don't get you here at all? I don't belive > that I am judging people, nor do I think I have accused you of doing > so. > > On 11 Dec, 16:55, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > There is a leap of logic in assuming that because people enjoy their > > families at Christmas, they do not during the rest of the year, that I > > think is fallacious. These two are not mutually exclusive and may > > even enhance one another. > > > As for judging people who do not celebrate Christmas, I have already > > stated that I think Christmas is what we make of it (or not), and I > > hope that tells you I judge no one in their choice. Identifying > > yourself by what you are not is common, and not good or bad, > > > On Dec 11, 11:04 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Again I disgree. A healthy attitude is all you need to enjoy crimbo > > > you proclaim. Yet I find that my healthy attitude deems Xmas, a > > > worthless thing. > > > > Let me try to explain why say this. > > > > Christmas, is of course a Christian holiday, for Christians it > > > celebrates the birth of the Messiah. A worthy celebration indeed, if > > > you are that way inclined. > > > > I you are not though, why celebrate Xmas? What are you celebrating > > > instead? > > > > Family ties, a chance to come closer to those you care about? Then > > > why not do this everyday instead? To have one day a year set aside in > > > which to worship at the altar of consumerism, and then pretend it is > > > all about the family, well that seems silly to me. To secularise an > > > existing religious fesitval, well that seems dishonest and insulting > > > to those who view the day in a religious way. > > > > Why not make as big a deal of Ramadam? We can loose it's religous > > > meanings and look upon it as a week of healthy purging instead, I mean > > > that fasting IS good for your health, if you do it every once in a > > > while, perhaps for one week in the year. > > > > Now if that seems like a slightly barking mad idea to you, and if it > > > makes you feel a little uncomfatable hijacking a Muslim holy time and > > > changing it's meaning, and if you find the idea a little offensive to > > > Islam, then you'll begin to get an idea of what I mean. > > > > On 11 Dec, 15:38, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You don't need to be a Christian to enjoy Christmas! Just a healthy > > > > attitude. Hard to come by, I know. > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4Hv9YmhGpw > > > > > -Don > > > > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:31 AM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Bah humbug. Xmas again and those of you who know me should know that > > > > > I just don't enjoy this time of year. > > > > > > Granted this year I shall not be working, and this year I have my > > > > > family at home with me, but still it's that time of year again when > > > > > most of us start to feel guilty that we have not spent enough on each > > > > > of the people we want to gift, again we shall go through the 'who do I > > > > > send cards to' rigmarole, the family rows, the consumerisum trap that > > > > > is modern day Xmas. > > > > > > As a non Christian, can't we just do away with it, leave it to the > > > > > followers of Christ, me honestly I can't see any merit to the day. > > > > > > On 10 Dec, 05:45, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> Right Orn, I'm sending the boys round. This is in such poor taste it > > > > >> almost isn't funny! > > > > > >> On 10 Dec, 01:35, dj <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > And She Touch A Jew.. > > > > > >> > On Dec 7, 9:45 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > > Before anyone gets all excited about the ‘season’, enjoy this > > > > >> > > song > > > > >> > > first, OK? > > > > > >> > > Thanks. > > > > > >> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1uZ_W7atDE-Hidequotedtext- > > > > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > > > > -- > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected]. > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.-Hidequotedtext - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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