Let me add this also. Hatred, I mean hatred as opposed to dislike, well I truely do not think that there is as much of that about as people suppose.
It's a figure of speach to say that 'I hate bigotry', sure I think it is nowt but a destructive thing, but can it really be said that I hate it? You know what I don't think I do. We all have our little codes, our morals, our sayings, our principles, ideas and ideals by which we strive to live. One of mine is all about being the bigger person. If I think rationaly about it, if I am confrunted by behavour that I dislike, then to act in the same way means comeing donw to the same level. In a real way doing exactly that which I despise. No sir be the bigger human, and refuse to go down to that level. On 17 Dec, 20:27, dj Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > Let me add this:] I have and learned what hate is, and it is this: I hate > ways of a person that goes against my very being..There ways are not my > ways.. And I would consider this not to be racism, and it is not to be > considered a form of racism or to be confused as racism . When you have a > matter of preferences of what you choose in ones own life. > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 11:21 AM, dj Briscoe > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > There has always been that threat and possible concept and has been done in > > small degrees..Slip is justiflied in his thinking. But remenber Howard > > Huges what happen to him, in his fears and what surrounded him.. I spoke > > about this subject at the first of several Threads. Don't take nothing for > > granted. Good people are good people. And Bad are Bad. How you discern > > this is simple their mouth and their actions. It does not matter what > > religion,are color or race. If you have hate in your heart and if you are > > born into this and taught this, then that is the way it is. Even The poor > > has a point of racism against the rich. What is hidden in the heart will > > speak out of the lips one way or the other. No matter what country or race > > you are and you speak kind words and this is not really how you feel in your > > heart than you are a fake. Slip is only repeating what was spoken awhile > > back. And I still feel like it is a great threat within the countries if > > they think they are the top dog of ManKind. We always fought to save > > Mankind. You cannot stand inbetween. To stand Hot or Cold is better than > > inbetween. Alot of people from other countries that are in other countries > > have hate in their hearts and make Judgements within that country and curse > > it. This is what I have seen. I look at the person and do my own > > discerments. dj > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> I think the last bit of this post rasies a very good point DJ. > > >> If every Muslim was anit west, how easy would it be for those that > >> live in the west to find employment in our food maufacturing > >> industries, and our water sanitation industries and put shit in both > >> our food and water? > > >> I would say to easy, so one conclusion that can be reached is that not > >> all Muslims feel way that Slip says they do. > > >> Of course another conclusion that could be reached is that they just > >> have not thought of it. Hahahah now who's ever gonna trust canned > >> food again ummmmm? > > >> On 17 Dec, 03:04, dj Briscoe <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Slip Is right on the mark with his conclusions. And With his concept or > >> > what should be, which is not, takes others to see what he is talking > >> about > >> > and to agree yes this is the way life should be. I do not think his > >> > conversation is in general. But remenber there are hate groups that > >> arrive > >> > from being onesided for there relgions and should we say there kind of > >> > people. Is this racism? Even if there religions did not enter into it > >> than > >> > what? They would still be the same kind of people that was born into > >> the > >> > same pace of life and their ways..There are People that take on Muslim > >> > religion that were born in other countries, but are not true muslim's. I > >> do > >> > believe it is a form of racism..I think this that people are happy when > >> they > >> > are with there on culture and relate better. I do think it is good > >> culture > >> > and education to learn about other cultures and religions. I cannot say > >> > what it would be like to go to another country or convert over to > >> another > >> > religion. I do not have hate in my heart, but I do believe we have a > >> > problem on are hands in certain groups as hate groups. A murder , is a > >> > murder or murders. If your ways and beliefs are not like others and > >> they > >> > think you as a dog and woman as dogs and other as this also because your > >> > ways are not their ways ..than I would call this racism in a > >> sense..Because > >> > of different Beliefs and ways of all over the world there are many > >> > divisions. Can you mix these and convert without problems? No. To have > >> > fears now because you realize awareness of these peoples beliefs and > >> they > >> > are some your neighbors and some you are working for. To me to think > >> about > >> > the mixture of beliefs all over +the world and cultures and we have had > >> very > >> > few incidents, such as how easy it could be to put things in our foods > >> and > >> > our water..but this has not happened as far as I know. I buy bottled > >> > water. dj > > >> > On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > Well your turning the hostility around, reversing the direction of the > >> > > hostility. If anything the hostility is originating from Islam and we > >> > > seem to be the targets. My intended focus was towards the incidences > >> > > that have been reported by reputable sources not some tabloid rag. I > >> > > think that a majority of people globally feel threatened by the > >> > > increase in Muslim populations, especially considering all the > >> > > problems arising from their presence. I didn't think much of it when > >> > > they had rioting in Paris several years back but now I see a > >> > > continuing trend towards more serious violent acts aimed at killing > >> > > innocent people, as per the examples I have cited. How many more > >> > > Hasans are hiding behind the shroud of peace and how many more > >> > > teenagers are out their waiting for the opportunity to strike? We are > >> > > a multi cultural country but the only culture that seems to be causing > >> > > concern is that of the Muslims. Pat has expended much energy on > >> > > pointing out the various faiths within faiths which actually validates > >> > > my point that religion segments societies and has been throughout > >> > > history the root of many wars and atrocities still to this day. I'm > >> > > not worried about Irish people nor German, Italian, Polish, French and > >> > > dozens of others. I'm worried about some Hasan copy cat opening fire > >> > > on a group of people or a group of Muslim teenagers committing some > >> > > heinous act that will take the lives of innocent people. As I pointed > >> > > out to Justin, this is not something that just popped up out of > >> > > nowhere, but has been happening for quite sometime and is still > >> > > happening but is getting more frequent and insidious in nature. I > >> > > don't think God intended for us to come up with a slew of religious > >> > > figures to believe in nor multi-Gods to worship. I don't even know if > >> > > we are supposed to worship anything. Why can't we just live and > >> > > enjoy? > >> > > I do own the movie Gran Torino and I don't think that it applies to > >> > > what I talking about. I think it is natural for people to develop > >> > > fear of a specific race/culture when that race/culture is out and > >> > > about killing people, its no different than the fear arising from a > >> > > serial killer on the loose, everyone becomes suspect. Your stance > >> > > reminds me of the political correctness position taken on racial > >> > > profiling and as a result my 87 year old mother had to undergo > >> > > scrutiny at the airport, removing her jacket for inspection. Its not > >> > > age old grannies that are hijacking planes and carrying out suicide > >> > > missions but it is the ____________ people. Simply fill in the blank > >> > > for a reality check. > > >> > > Picture this, your are on an elevator, the other passengers consist of > >> > > two old ladies, a mom holding a baby and three children aged 3, 5 and > >> > > 7, an old man with a cane and two men in the corner each with an > >> > > attache case and speaking any Islamic language. Ok, who are you > >> > > worried about? Me? I wouldn't even get on the elevator if I heard > >> > > them talking. Sorry but that is that way it is and it is getting > >> > > worse. This is a real situation, but I didn't cause it, they did. > > >> > > On Dec 16, 3:02 pm, Molly <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > I don't think it is off base at all. We are talking about race in > >> the > >> > > > current definition: "a class or kind of individuals with common > >> > > > characteristics, interests, appearance, or habits as if derived from > >> a > >> > > > common ancestor." Racism in the US is defined by targeted group, and > >> > > > currently that group is Muslim. Clint Eastwood's movie Gran Torino > >> > > > did a good job of showing the problem in Dearborn, MI, although the > >> > > > movie portrayed the group as a group from Southeast Asia that > >> > > > immigrated from several different countries. In truth, the group in > >> > > > Dearborn that is currently the target of racial hostility is Muslim, > >> > > > and all Middle Eastern immigrants or those who look like them are > >> > > > carried along. But you probably know that. > > >> > > > On Dec 16, 3:24 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > We should also note, Molly, that racism in the past, as you > >> pointed > >> > > > > out against the Irish in your mothers time is not really relevant. > >> > > > > This is not a racist issue, it's about attacks that kill people by > >> a > >> > > > > specific religious group. I'm sure the Irish were not setting off > >> > > > > bombs, shooting people, joining the army and killing their fellow > >> > > > > soldiers, nor did any other immigration group. Racism is entirely > >> off > >> > > > > base. > > >> > > > > On Dec 16, 1:17 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > I think that Justin's read on Slips question was accurate, in > >> that it > >> > > > > > points to the racial hysteria that is now all around us, > >> inflamed by > >> > > > > > mainstream media and ignorance. << Molly > > >> > > > > > If racial hysteria is all around us it is because people are > >> under a > >> > > > > > more consistent awareness of the fact that a serious threat > >> exists. > >> > > > > > We can't ignore the reality of threat and attack > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
