First of all: I have never claimed to be here long. I have been involved in groups for a very long time, however. Second of all: After around the twentieth time that he made comments along the lines of being new, unsure of his content, unsure of how to contribute effectively; I made a post giving helpful advice that was intended to convey the concept of having self confidence. Instead he took every point as an accusation where there was none.
On Jan 18, 1:42 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Twirlip, i noticed that too one of your atters has not been here long, all > though he would have you believe other wise,, and the Mods are dealing with > him , > > Personally I have enjoyed reading your comments and what you have seen > since you have been here is not the norm by any means,, hang in there,, > there are a lot of very bright minds in this group,, and I do not include my > self among them.. Most of the time what is said is very interesting > exchange of ideas. > Allan > > > > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Twirlip <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Jan 18, 5:32 pm, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > So I have been away for a week(damn me am the only IT bod in the world > > > without Internet access at home,this is NOT the question) and when I > > > come back i see all sorts of rows and arguments and I guess what can > > > only be described as 'bad bood' > > > It's probably me, in some mysterious way (unless this sort of thing > > happens a lot here, which I don't get the impression it does). I only > > joined a few days ago, and already I've been ranted at by two people, > > and threatened with a ban by at least two moderators if I persist in > > responding to my, er, critics > > > I wonder if I'm a Jonah. I probably carry a dark cloud, an emotional > > microclimate, around with me. Perhaps I'll soon be thrown overboard, > > and swallowed by a whale, so you won't have to worry, and Minds Eye > > will no longer be the eye of a storm.. > > > > Do we really choose to have faith in God's existance though? Can we > > > literaly choose what we wish to belive or not? > > > Lets try it, please try to choose to belive that God exists and let us > > > know what happens. > > > I suspect that I can no more choose not to belive in God than I have > > > chossen the opposite.' > > > > Am I right? Rather like one's sexual preferance, is it true that one > > > can choose to belive in God or not? > > > Interesting. Pragmatism, and Pascal's wager, and Existentialist self- > > creation and Nietzschean transvaluation of values, or whatever (I'm > > bluffing), have a lot to be said for them, no doubt, but not by me. > > > I'll stick to what I know, and try for once to be brief. I'll just > > give what I think are a few examples, from my own (superficially quiet > > but inwardly wildly disordered) life, of what I think you are talking > > about. > > > (1) I could choose to feel guilty about my sexuality and gender > > identity confusion, but, insofar as I am able, I choose not to, I > > choose to make this aspect of me a part of my identity, even if it > > feels worthless and evil and mad. > > > (2) I could choose to believe that the reason I have failed to develop > > a career as a mathematician is that I am inherently incapable of > > understanding the subject, and never had a genuine vocation for it in > > the first place, but I choose to persist grimly in renewing my > > acquaintance with it, even if I hate it and am bored and uninspired > > and cannot understand why it was ever important to me. > > > (3) I could choose to believe that the enormous, overwhelming, almost > > universal social pressure to accept some everyday social construction > > of reality (and morality) as real reality (and true morality) is right > > and good and true. But, like Bartleby, and as far as I am able, I > > "prefer not to". I have learned this the hard way, because for most of > > my life I really believed I was totally mistaken about everything, and > > I subjected myself slavishly to the social consensus around me, > > thinking there was nowhere else to turn, other than my own self, in > > which (whom) I had utterly lost faith. > > > But I don't think these are really arbitrary choices, and, insofar as > > I understand them (which is not much), I am not with Pascal, William > > James, Nietzsche, or Sartre. I'm a realist; and the reality I believe > > in might also be known by the name "God". Or might not. (It is most > > certainly not what the vast majority of people mean by "God".) > > > Finally, may I ask you a question? What do you mean when you > > apparently assert, casually and in passing, that sexual preference is > > a free choice? > > > (I don't want to argue with you until I know what you mean, and in any > > case, there are bound to be plenty of other people to argue about it, > > and I can perhaps shut up for the rest of the day and get some rest!) > > > (Did I say I would be brief? I'm afraid 'ME' seems to be a lot about > > 'me' at the moment! Please at least partially blame the two people > > who have chosen to focus aggressively on my personality, and to accuse > > me of being some former member of Minds Eye, returning in false > > disguise to plague the group as a troll! I have no idea what's > > happening, and I am more than a little punch-drunk from it all.) > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<minds-eye%[email protected]> > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan
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