On 21 Jan, 13:55, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes but your consciousness involves the entity of your physical being > which exists as a mathematical property. To conclude that your > consciousness establishes a similarity that extends space time calabi > yau is conjectural theory which relies on the exclusion of fluxes. > That alone negates a fixed set of parameters within the dimension. > Much of it all comes out of the need to establish string theory with > models of unseen spatial dimensions. So establishing a consciousness > within that realm seems a bit premature and unfounded based on the > lack of physical evidence. Of course you can always add an imaginary > physical being with a consciousness in the string theory landscape, > but you probably did that already, ergo; God and the Plan. >
I like it. Although I disagree, I see your point. Premature? Well, perhaps, but that's what speculation IS. I state it because, given ALL of human experiences, this conformation is the only one that CAN explain them all. I no of no other that comes anywhere close. My physics is the simplest explanation that covers all phenomena. All others leave huge gaps. Should I apologise for my foresight? > On Jan 21, 6:27 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 20 Jan, 23:50, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You missed the second sentence. I recognized the established temporal > > > dimension but we still cannot assign elements within it. It isn't > > > about demonstrating the continuum but about your assigning past, > > > present and future "Events". I'm just not buying the existence of a > > > consciousness within a quantum dynamic. If it is all spelled out > > > already then can you put together a calender of the events so I could > > > prepare for them, but you can't because you don't really know that > > > there is a pre-established plan by a consciousness. There is no > > > itinerary, no plan. > > > My own consciousness serves as evidence of consciousness within the > > continuum. A continuum, by definition, MUST contain ALL elements > > within the continuum. In this case, those elements are spatio- > > temporal events. I can't put together a calendar of future events > > because I, like you, do not have access TO the future (nor do I have > > thre total quantum state of the universe, which is what would be > > required to accurately predict the future). The fact that all spatio- > > temporal events already exist within the space-time continuum IS the > > itinerary OF events, it is the "Clear Record" that the Qur'an alludes > > to. It is the plan. Of course you don't have to accept that, you can > > hide your head in the sand and that will be just another spatio- > > temporal event, that, if you do, will be evidence that it was always > > going to be the case. Somehow, I just don't think you're ready to > > handle this aspect of truth...and I mena no offense by that, as I > > strongly suspect, millions feel the same way. Although that doesn't > > alter the truth, rather, it defines it. > > > > On Jan 20, 8:53 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 20 Jan, 12:50, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Unfortunately the continuum seems to be your lack of evidence to make > > > > > this claim, its speculative at best. Even with an established > > > > > temporal dimension there is no way to project contents within it, > > > > > especially a conscious event planner utilizing structured intervals. > > > > > The universe is not fixed but in a constant state of flux dependent on > > > > > numerous degrees and densities within fields etc. Regardless of the > > > > > number of dimensions, we are still operating on a single temporal > > > > > dimension, a small niche in the scheme of things. The numerous > > > > > offerings of mathematical and anthropic concepts only leads to > > > > > numerous equations, none of which solidify the soup. > > > > > The continuum has been demonstrated time and time again (pardon the > > > > pun!!) through time dilation. It's a fact. The temporal dimension is > > > > knitted to the spatial ones and that's been proven through time > > > > dilation. The temporal dimension is NOT separate from those that are > > > > spatial. My evidence is SOLID! > > > > > > On Jan 20, 5:49 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > On 20 Jan, 01:42, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > How do you establish that it IS a plan? What evidence do you have > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > makes you so certain? > > > > > > > The existence of the space-time continuum, that contains all spatio- > > > > > > temporal events: past, present and future. > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 11:26 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 19 Jan, 15:13, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That may happen but the predictability is sketchy, tectonic > > > > > > > > > activity > > > > > > > > > is fickle. I'm also wondering, and you might speculate on > > > > > > > > > this, if in > > > > > > > > > fact disasters are a way to cull the population of human > > > > > > > > > habitation on > > > > > > > > > planet Earth. I mean there are other forms of natural > > > > > > > > > culling such as > > > > > > > > > predator and prey and disease. So could these disasters be a > > > > > > > > > Divine > > > > > > > > > plan to maintain population levels. > > > > > > > > > Of course, they COULD be. There is nothing that happens that > > > > > > > > isn't a > > > > > > > > part of the plan. The space-time continuum always 'held' this > > > > > > > > event > > > > > > > > in it. We just finally came to the point where it happened. > > > > > > > > > >Basically what I'm seeing here is > > > > > > > > > thousands of years for the population to reach half of what > > > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > today and the short period of time in which it has doubled. > > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > ramifications are serious famines in a broader sense, ie; once > > > > > > > > > prosperous regions will fail to accommodate the needs of the > > > > > > > > > population. As it stands today we are not feeding the world; > > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > > are we going to be in another 50 years?. > > > > > > > > > So next time you talk to your God ask if this is part of the > > > > > > > > > plan. > > > > > > > > > I already know the answer. Yes, it IS. > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 19, 7:16 am, Pat <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 19 Jan, 12:45, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Food for Thought > > > > > > > > > > > > Editor's note: Elizabeth McAlister is a professor of > > > > > > > > > > > religion at > > > > > > > > > > > Wesleyan University. > > > > > > > > > > > > (CNN) -- We are all sick at heart to witness the > > > > > > > > > > > unfathomable > > > > > > > > > > > suffering in Haiti. Why do bad things happen to innocent > > > > > > > > > > > people? Why > > > > > > > > > > > Haiti, again? Even Secretary of State Hillary Clinton > > > > > > > > > > > said recently, > > > > > > > > > > > "It is biblical, the tragedy that continues to stalk > > > > > > > > > > > Haiti and the > > > > > > > > > > > Haitian people." > > > > > > > > > > > > How we make meaning of this suffering will be crucial to > > > > > > > > > > > how we > > > > > > > > > > > respond, in the long term, as a global community. > > > > > > > > > > > > My Haitian in-laws, visiting from Boston, Massachusetts, > > > > > > > > > > > to take some > > > > > > > > > > > comfort with us, announced that the verse of the day on > > > > > > > > > > > their favorite > > > > > > > > > > > Bible Web site is from Revelation 16:18. "And there were > > > > > > > > > > > voices and > > > > > > > > > > > thunders and lightnings; and there was a great > > > > > > > > > > > earthquake, such as has > > > > > > > > > > > not been since men were upon the earth, so mighty an > > > > > > > > > > > earthquake and so > > > > > > > > > > > great." > > > > > > > > > > > > The word "earthquake" appears sixteen times in the Bible. > > > > > > > > > > > It was clear > > > > > > > > > > > to them -- and many other Christians -- that the > > > > > > > > > > > earthquake was part > > > > > > > > > > > of God's plan. Why God ordains such disasters is a > > > > > > > > > > > mystery that is not > > > > > > > > > > > ours to question. It is only our job to have faith. > > > > > > > > > > > > A friend who barely escaped the collapse of her house in > > > > > > > > > > > the quake > > > > > > > > > > > writes that people in her Port-au-Prince neighborhood are > > > > > > > > > > > living this > > > > > > > > > > > time as the apocalypse. They are gathering en masse, > > > > > > > > > > > singing hymns and > > > > > > > > > > > praying nonstop as they wait for disaster aid -- and > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus. > > > > > > > > > > > > For them, the meaning of their suffering is clear. How > > > > > > > > > > > else to > > > > > > > > > > > interpret the collapse of their entire world, earthquake, > > > > > > > > > > > famine, > > > > > > > > > > > death, disease and drought? They are God's children > > > > > > > > > > > living out the > > > > > > > > > > > last chapter of the Bible. > > > > > > > > > > > > Fundamentalist Pat Robertson says that the earthquake is > > > > > > > > > > > the devil's > > > > > > > > > > > work. Haitians are cursed by a pact with Satan that their > > > > > > > > > > > ancestors > > > > > > > > > > > made, he says. Distorting a Haitian national myth, he is > > > > > > > > > > > referring to > > > > > > > > > > > a famous Afro-Creole religious service said to have > > > > > > > > > > > sparked and > > > > > > > > > > > launched the Haitian War of Independence in 1791. > > > > > > > > > > > Ironically, > > > > > > > > > > > historians tell us that such a single ceremony never > > > > > > > > > > > happened -- > > > > > > > > > > > although surely there were many slave gatherings, and > > > > > > > > > > > many Afro-Creole > > > > > > > > > > > religious rituals in the region. > > > > > > > > > > > > Haitians do not mistake African religiosity for Satanism > > > > > > > > > > > as Robertson > > > > > > > > > > > does, so for them the ceremony was a spiritually charged > > > > > > > > > > > political > > > > > > > > > > > rally. Slaves gathered to plan and inspire themselves for > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > outrageous feat they would succeed in performing: a slave > > > > > > > > > > > revolution, > > > > > > > > > > > the abolition of slavery, and by 1804, national > > > > > > > > > > > independence. > > > > > > > > > > > > Afro-Creole religion, known as Vodou, still underpins the > > > > > > > > > > > philosophy > > > > > > > > > > > of many Haitians, though by no means everyone. A > > > > > > > > > > > spirit-priest I know > > > > > > > > > > > reads the earthquake as an allegorical message from the > > > > > > > > > > > spirits who > > > > > > > > > > > infuse the land. "The land is our mother," he said. When > > > > > > > > > > > you abuse the > > > > > > > > > > > land -- deforest her, plant only one crop, overpopulate > > > > > > > > > > > her, erode her > > > > > > > > > > > soil -- she explodes, searching for a way to rebalance. > > > > > > > > > > > > The spirit of the land had become sick with abuse. Her > > > > > > > > > > > children -- the > > > > > > > > > > > eldest ones, the ones in charge, the Haitian government > > > > > > > > > > > -- had no > > > > > > > > > > > policies, no laws to protect the land or use it wisely. > > > > > > > > > > > The spirit- > > > > > > > > > > > mother > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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