In terms of consequence, how should we view the effects of our biases in
the wide field of impressions? That is, to include the future
generations. By this I mean, not just how others view us operating on
our biases but how they internalize them and shapes their worldviews.
I like to view these matters as of potential, such as 'embracing
affirmation=promoting potential' or comparing long and short roads. That
itself is a bias, one I have not been satisfied in with the tools of
science, philosophy, metaphysics or religion but at the crossroads which
usually takes a little off-roading. But is it arbitrary, what qualifiers
exist?
Thank you for the prayer Vam. My words are vague symbols attempting to
lend material existence to a deeply felt personal experience. When I
have thoughts like them in the moment (not always) they are subdued as a
defensive mechanism. The dissonance becomes too apparent. ;-)
On 2/4/2010 2:00 PM, Vamadevananda wrote:
Ash, allow me to share the poignance from which your expressions
issued. I find it extraordinary that you could look at it, in its eye,
in those moments !
One Peace Prayer that is sung by both the teacher and the pupil
( since millennia ago ):
"Om, saha nav avatu. saha nau bhunaktu. saharyam karavavahai. tejasvi
nav. adhitam astu madvishavahai ! Om shantih, shantih, shantih !!!"
Paraphrased>>>
Let us apply together and help each other. Let us manage our food and
partake together.
Let us support each other and together grow in strength and vitality.
Let us together represent and express the truth.
Let us together participate in truth, in this effulgent light of being
in life.
Let us never denounce and belittle anyone, never allow negative
feelings and thoughts towards anyone or thing."
Taittiriya Upanishad, shanthi patha.
On Feb 4, 11:08 pm, Ash<[email protected]> wrote:
The point when someone makes it painfully obvious that ones assumptions
are obsolete, resulting in the proverbial foot-in-mouth. In this, my
lady love has persevered and we mutually regard my curmudgeonny with
some compassion and humor. That honesty is invaluable and promotes
sharing and growth, resentment seems to be its enemy.
I think bias in general is unavoidable for us quasi im-scient mortals,
and a powerful survival technique, often blindingly so. Your proposed
'bias in favour of good' seems just the vision we need in aspiring to
greatness. When we've lifted up the world, we can get to work on the
next stages of development, and perhaps with maturity and experience
revisit that bias from greater universals.
In my own conflict I see that as a call to arms and our gentler nature,
and would agree with that figment of OM as I have been a master unto
myself in cruelty alone. Cast into the destitute and impoverished
carrying guilt most of all (for doing nothing). Perhaps that is the
feeling of standing at the precipice of the greatest holy war where
passion meets against compassion, I strain against the current and
understand that it is myself I am resisting, paralyzed in fear.
What a run-on! Sorry for the poetic waxing/noetic waning, if you can't
relate just call it the raving of a madman! But where the story leads
might lend differentiation to inspiration and insanity... :p
On 2/3/2010 1:33 PM, Vamadevananda wrote:
I tend to see Molly's point, that a personal bias in itself may not be
the problem. And Lee's too, that personal bias may be the problem.
There's no conflict.
And, perhaps OM's ( yet unsaid ), that all bias is the problem
( ignorance ).
That's how ideas and beliefs are. Life and living however is a
different ball game, with unpredictables, irrational, warlike. I would
suggest we all keep a bias in favour of the good ( we'll ideate
later ...), of competencies, of understanding, of freedom, of positive
value, of opportunities to improve, of compassion, of fearlessness, of
non - violence, of freedom from subjectivity and objectivity, even
while using either as necessary ...
On Feb 3, 9:23 pm, Lee<[email protected]> wrote:
Ohh I'm not so sure Molly.
What if such bias was demonstratedly wrong? If a man holds a bias due
to the colour of another mans skin, then that will cause problems in
his assoctitions with others would it not?
On 3 Feb, 16:19, Molly<[email protected]> wrote:
I am not sure that personal bias in itself presents problems for us,
but judging someone else based on that bias certainly does, and
creates the tone for conflict. In addition, if our bias is based on
fear - fear that there will not be enough for everyone, fear that what
I have will be taken from me, fear of anything, the fear immediately
puts us into an oppositional state and again sets the tone for
conflict.
On Feb 3, 9:12 am, Lee<[email protected]> wrote:
We all have it, how does it effect us, can it be a hinderance to some
things?
Yesterday our office manager at work (a close personal friend) was
walking around with one of those high visibilty patch jackets on, you
know the ones that bikers wear over their leathers. (she was on her
way home and yes she is indeed a biker) It was bareing an ad for a
rally
agianst the proposed 1 parking fee for bikes in London.
Traditionaly parking for bikes in London has always been free, but now
of course we find that there are too many motor viechiles on the roads
of our little island nation for traffic to move fast going anywhere.
The major of London has implmented a congestion charge scheme for all
those who wish to drive into the city and inner London, both to grab
some cash and to ease congestion in inner London.
When I saw this, the first thought I had was one which originated out
of one of my own personal biases. I thought cheeky cow don't want to
pay a mimimal charge for parking her bike in the city.
I belive that there are too many motor veichels in our country and
that this number will only increase and so we must do what we can to
limit the spread, make getting a licence harder, or even tax people
out of owning cars.
Let me add a little to this. I am all for freedom of movment, and
don't have anything against car ownership, or car owners apart from
there are already too many of them and the situation can only get
worse.
Yet I do try to live a life that is not hypocritical and so I do not
own nor intend to own a car myself.
We can see what my bias in this matter is and why I hold it. I'll
admit that my thought certianly arose because of this bias, yet I
think that my belife is a valid concern. A 1 per day for parking
your bike seems very little money to me, and I can't understand the
concern that our bikers have for this scheme. I certianly don't mind
paying the taxes and extra chrges that I have to pay, yes even if I
don't agree with something, yet can still see the need fot it.
So what I want to know is how far can personal bias push your mind
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