Neil is waiting for the magic. Molly says, he's already done it !  Lee
'd say, that's because they are two different people, individuals.
Gibbs would tell us, that's how it means to them, respectively.

There's more. Each in a collage or a pool, like subsets in the
universal. That's in my imagination.

The I - image association is explosive, the big bang, avalanching us
into this imagined reality, playing serious and playful games, at
being someone else.

On Feb 11, 1:52 am, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
> What is practical about Neville, Neil, are his instructions on how to
> quiet the mind, direct desire, and utilize imagination in a
> consciousness clear of ego and duality.  The ethics and unity of
> society follow in the direct experience of such a person.  Is it
> possible that the paradigm shift was the result in the human tendency
> to be more self reflective and actualizing?
>
> On Feb 10, 3:09 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > We don't do enough in here on feelings Molly, or the role of trope in
> > the imagination.  There is something almost auto da fe about Goddard
> > that I admire.  I often find myself wondering where the paradigm shift
> > to science was.  Not in Einstein for sure - that's magnificent hard
> > work on contradiction between theory and experimental evidence and a
> > deconstruction-reconstruction of getting to a new description of
> > something common to both.  I do wonder if Neville could be turned to
> > some more practical magic - we are in need of it.
>
> > On 10 Feb, 17:45, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Well done, Neil!
>
> > > On 10 Feb., 16:29, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > There is no refining process after pure Molly, though even I must
> > > > admit to having gone weak at the knees.  Without turning away from the
> > > > actual world, most experience on offer is almost the exact opposite of
> > > > Neville ( a good reason to read him).  I had such an experience today
> > > > as the spinning arrows of our vile government front-men came
> > > > protesting innocence on state-sponsored torture just as some judge
> > > > finally had the balls to out the truth.  Sadly, I can see the 'arrows
> > > > of love' defence being used in our evermore perverse courts.  They
> > > > will get off the murder of the first three arrows, but not the cruelty
> > > > to animals charge of the fourth!  Only teasing (I hope!) - just raised
> > > > to something of ecstasy after cops kicked a door in round the corner
> > > > on information the creeps living there were using kids to trade drugs
> > > > into schools.  They only found enough weed for a possession charge,
> > > > but I did the forensics on a mobile phone ('borrowed' by a neighbour
> > > > concerned about noise nuisance from the place) and found text messages
> > > > blabbing on several burglaries and links to one of the kids' phone and
> > > > our previous scuzzy next-door freaks.  Although not admissible in
> > > > court, this has loosed several arrows of justice the whole street
> > > > rejoiced in on seeing them strike home.  Although known as 'Glen the
> > > > Burglar', one of the recipients of an arrow of justice is actually one
> > > > Charles Dove, now of no fixed abode, awaiting Her Majesty's pleasure.
>
> > > > On 10 Feb, 13:28, Molly <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > your post reminded me of this Neville Goddard quote, Ash:  "Now, I
> > > > > have a few perfectly marvelous eschatological dreams to share with
> > > > > you. Here is an experience of one who heard and believes. This is his
> > > > > dream: He said: You were on the platform, teaching. Although you
> > > > > smiled at me there was great intensity in your eyes. Taking a golden
> > > > > arrow from your side, you placed it in your bow and shot it directly
> > > > > at me. As it came toward me I could read the word, resurrection
> > > > > imprinted upon it as it penetrated my forehead. Then you shot a second
> > > > > arrow, which read David and it penetrated my chest. The third arrow
> > > > > carried the word ascension and it penetrated my belly, touching my
> > > > > spine. The fourth arrow carried no word, only a white dove, and as it
> > > > > hit me I felt as though every pore of my body had been struck. I have
> > > > > never known such ecstasy of love before. I felt like a spiritual
> > > > > fountain of pure, pure love."
>
> > > > > On Feb 9, 12:03 am, Ash <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Amid the din of mental contortions, mechanics and raging analysis 
> > > > > > she
> > > > > > creeps up and without warning imparts a kiss on the forehead. The 
> > > > > > field
> > > > > > is transformed, color-shifted across the spectrum resembling beauty 
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > intimacy. With a shake to clear a mist of dream, I return to the 
> > > > > > dream
> > > > > > of the insane. Lest sleepwalkers overtake me in comfortable times of
> > > > > > peaceful radiance.
>
> > > > > > Rattled and riled, what a joy!
> > > > > > -Ash
>
> > > > > > On 2/8/2010 11:30 AM, Molly wrote:
>
> > > > > > > "There is a state of creativity, you can doubt it but it doesn't 
> > > > > > > mean
> > > > > > > a thing if you doubt it, it doesn't matter to me. I say there is a
> > > > > > > state where there is creation, where there is no shadow of
> > > > > > > selfishness. That is real creation, which does not need 
> > > > > > > expression, it
> > > > > > > doesn't need fulfilment, which is myself fulfilling, or that
> > > > > > > fulfilling, it is creation..." - Krishnamurti
>
> > > > > > > Hope the second quotation of the day doesn't rile you because I 
> > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > it applies.  I think this state that he refers to above, is the 
> > > > > > > state
> > > > > > > that we can realize in sleep, and is also expressed in lucid 
> > > > > > > dream,
> > > > > > > although in dream of course, it is given a form of expression.  An
> > > > > > > integrated state of waking creativity would then, be selfless and
> > > > > > > inspired.
>
> > > > > > > On Feb 7, 8:10 pm, archytas<[email protected]>  wrote:
> > > > > > >> It has been said by many that creative thinking is like banging 
> > > > > > >> your
> > > > > > >> head against the walls.  I see it more as a battle with the 
> > > > > > >> courage we
> > > > > > >> wish we had.
>
> > > > > > >> On 7 Feb, 16:48, Chris Jenkins<[email protected]>  
> > > > > > >> wrote:
>
> > > > > > >>> FTFY.
>
> > > > > > >>> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Molly<[email protected]>  
> > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> Do you also worship at the Church of the Flying Spaghetti 
> > > > > > >>>> Monster?
> > > > > > >>>> Ramen to that.
>
> > > > > > >>>> On Feb 6, 1:45 pm, Don Johnson<[email protected]>  wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Molly<[email protected]>  
> > > > > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>> Francis, the divine hermaphrodite in his magnanimous and 
> > > > > > >>>>>> loving
> > > > > > >>>>>> treatment of life and those living it.
>
> > > > > > >>>>> Oh mighty hermaphrodites, hear my prayer.  Give me noodly 
> > > > > > >>>>> appendages
> > > > > > >>>>> to pleasure myself with so that I might complete the task so 
> > > > > > >>>>> many,
> > > > > > >>>>> many others often call me to do.
>
> > > > > > >>>>> Amen.
>
> > > > > > >>>>>> On Feb 5, 3:56 pm, Ash<[email protected]>  wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>> On 2/5/2010 1:42 PM, frantheman wrote:
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On 5 Feb., 03:38, archytas<[email protected]>    wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>     Strangely, Vam, Francis, Aristotle and myself play no
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> further part after this opening, the rest entirely 
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> devoted to
> > > > > > >>>> scantily
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> clad women discussing philosophy.  The working title may 
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> stand -
> > > > > > >>>> 'How
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> to Convert a Lesbian: an exploration of anatomy in the 
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> place of
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> Aristotle's Birth'.
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Aw, Neil, surely I could be expected to stay in character 
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> and, given
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> my history, embark on an eloquent (goes without saying, 
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> given the
> > > > > > >>>> fact
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> that I have french-kissed the Blarney Stone) attempt to 
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> convert the
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> ladies to heterosexuality with the accompanying enticing 
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> offer of
> > > > > > >>>> Vam
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> and yourself as objects with which to practice the 
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> alternative.
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Apart from this, I see major merchandising possibilities 
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> in this
> > > > > > >>>> whole
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> thing - plastic cuttlefish and little busts of Ganesh 
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> (designed by
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Vam) and Aristotle with McD's Happy Meals, Neil replacing 
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Tiger
> > > > > > >>>> Woods
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> in the Gillette ads, me walking the catwalk for Victoria's 
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Secrets
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> (along with half a dozen of the ex-lesbians) ...
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> You know, this lucid dreaming stuff can be fun! :-)
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Francis
>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> Wow, Francis I thought you were male! No offense, just some 
> > > > > > >>>>>>> unchecked
> > > > > > >>>>>>> bias lingering around...
>
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