On 10 Feb, 20:15, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> I never really doubt many of us in here have them Pat.  We have
> perhaps proved better at accepting this than being able to explain the
> tenets - even when we squabble it's pretty clear that's what we are
> doing, rather than learning to hate our differences, or finding ways
> to create such hate in a sect.
>

Especially when our differences are our geatest strength.  Without
them, we'd all be the same, and that would truly be horrible.
Although it may solve a lot of arguments, it would be due to
extinction as evolution and adaptation would be impossible.

> On 10 Feb, 13:12, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On 10 Feb, 04:50, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > > This is an extract from a recent article.
> > > The details surrounding the emergence and evolution of religion have
> > > not been clearly established and remain a source of much debate among
> > > scholars. Now, an article published by Cell Press in the journal
> > > Trends in Cognitive Sciences on February 8 brings a new understanding
> > > to this long-standing discussion by exploring the fascinating link
> > > between morality and religion.
>
> > > There is no doubt that spiritual experiences and religion, which are
> > > ubiquitous across cultures and time and associated exclusively with
> > > humans, [actually something similar seems to have been observed in
> > > chimps] are ultimately based in the brain. However, there are many
> > > unanswered questions about how and why these behaviors originated and
> > > how they may have been shaped during evolution.
>
> > > "Some scholars claim that religion evolved as an adaptation to solve
> > > the problem of cooperation among genetically unrelated individuals,
> > > while others propose that religion emerged as a by-product of pre-
> > > existing cognitive capacities," explains study co-author Dr. Ilkka
> > > Pyysiainen from the Helsinki Collegium for Advanced Studies. Although
> > > there is some support for both, these alternative proposals have been
> > > difficult to investigate.
>
> > > Dr. Pyysiainen and co-author Dr. Marc Hauser, from the Departments of
> > > Psychology and Human Evolutionary Biology at Harvard University, used
> > > a fresh perspective based in experimental moral psychology to review
> > > these two competing theories. "We were interested in making use of
> > > this perspective because religion is linked to morality in different
> > > ways," says Dr. Hauser. "For some, there is no morality without
> > > religion, while others see religion as merely one way of expressing
> > > one's moral intuitions."
>
> > > Citing several studies in moral psychology, the authors highlight the
> > > finding that despite differences in, or even an absence of, religious
> > > backgrounds, individuals show no difference in moral judgments for
> > > unfamiliar moral dilemmas. The research suggests that intuitive
> > > judgments of right and wrong seem to operate independently of explicit
> > > religious commitments.
>
> > > "This supports the theory that religion did not originally emerge as a
> > > biological adaptation for cooperation, but evolved as a separate by-
> > > product of pre-existing cognitive functions that evolved from non-
> > > religious functions," says Dr. Pyysiainen. "However, although it
> > > appears as if cooperation is made possible by mental mechanisms that
> > > are not specific to religion, religion can play a role in facilitating
> > > and stabilizing cooperation between groups."
>
> > > Perhaps this may help to explain the complex association between
> > > morality and religion. "It seems that in many cultures religious
> > > concepts and beliefs have become the standard way of conceptualizing
> > > moral intuitions. Although, as we discuss in our paper, this link is
> > > not a necessary one, many people have become so accustomed to using
> > > it, that criticism targeted at religion is experienced as a
> > > fundamental threat to our moral existence," concludes Dr. Hauser.
>
> > > I tend to see religion much as I would view political correctness -
> > > that is, peevish, hostile, posturing pretense to be on the moral high
> > > ground.  Even Orn, who is a splendid example of the opposite most of
> > > the time, lapses to this and so do I.  I'm sure he won't take offence
> > > and think I'm merely pointing to difficulties, not accusing him.  Any
> > > quest for origin is fraught with self-deception and the struggle to
> > > sort wheat from chaff.
>
> > > I'm not looking for religion, but radical, practical changes in
> > > society, the way we live and could live - this, of course, sounds
> > > rather religious!
>
> > Yup, it sure does.  But only if people live like that religiously,
> > i.e., devoutly.  The problem, of course, is what are the tenets OF
> > your 'practical changes to society' and 'the way we...could live'?- Hide 
> > quoted text -
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