Starting to sound like a new thread! On Feb 23, 6:15 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > Ahh yes German the most fun languge of all. I have a German freind, > she is always threatening to take me out drinking and teaching me > German drinking songs! > > I have in the past had blue eyes, grey, yellow, purple and black. > Normaly though I would say they are a sort of hazel though! > > On 23 Feb, 11:10, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Do you know that a black eye is a blue eye in the German speaking > > world? But really it could be named after any colour of the rainbow. > > Funny, ain't it? > > > On Feb 23, 10:46 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Potatoes, potaaartoes, common thread, similar. Words are fun aint > > > they? > > > > On 22 Feb, 18:45, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Lee, the operative word is "similar".... > > > > > On Feb 22, 8:13 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Umm naaa I don't think so OM. > > > > > > At the start of his life perhaps so but as he grows into adulthood, he > > > > > will talk to others about their experiances, and although some may be > > > > > similar some will not, and he will ask (of himself) but why do they > > > > > use the same word as dad did, and in time he will see the common > > > > > thread and so understand the word. > > > > > > The other part yep I agree. > > > > > > On 22 Feb, 15:58, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Words are subjective in nature. Lee, your son will associate that > > > > > > term > > > > > > with the specific experience...place and situation. Others will not. > > > > > > None of us come to any language term with the same set of historical > > > > > > experiences nor understandings. > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 7:25 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Perhaps. Or perhaps as words have more than one definition, they > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > using a sligthly skewed one? Or perhaps it is acceptable in > > > > > > > debate to > > > > > > > first clarify your definitions? Or perhaps as langauge is > > > > > > > changable > > > > > > > such monkeying around with words is normal and also acceptable? > > > > > > > Or > > > > > > > just perhaps? > > > > > > > > Heh I really wouldn't like to say. > > > > > > > > On 22 Feb, 15:22, fiddler <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > That is the problem with people like molly and bernstein, > > > > > > > > people that > > > > > > > > like to change definitions or misapropriate words to fit > > > > > > > > whatever idea > > > > > > > > they want to propose whether or not the word fits or has a > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > definition. > > > > > > > > > On Feb 22, 6:11 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > But ifpeople can't describe it so there isome unanamity as > > > > > > > > > to what theexperience is like how does one know it is > > > > > > > > > inturtion they areexperienciing? > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: fiddler <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 2:45 am > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Intuition > > > > > > > > > > But again, every thinking person understands or has felt > > > > > > > > > intuition. > > > > > > > > > It's much the same concept in the mental arena that breathing > > > > > > > > > is in > > > > > > > > > the physical. No matter how people attempt to re-describe it, > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > original concept is unchanged. > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 11:07 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Ok its a lousy analogy. How about people who are blind > > > > > > > > > > from birth imagining > > > > > > > > > site. Help me out - you know what I mean> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > From: fiddler <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:50 am > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Intuition > > > > > > > > > > > this is shown as untrue throughout history, only slaves > > > > > > > > > > that actively > > > > > > > > > > refuse to contemplate freedom do not contemplate freedom. > > > > > > > > > > Just as only > > > > > > > > > > people that refuse to admit a concept exists do not allow > > > > > > > > > > the concept > > > > > > > > > > credibility. You find this mostly in people that love > > > > > > > > > > dissemination > > > > > > > > > > and those that argue silly points like...well... > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 10:44 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Ok you win - I suppose a slave would be numb to the > > > > > > > > > > > concept of freedom if > > > > > > > > > > they never tasted any in their life. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > From: ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 1:39 am > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Intuition > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting set of words Gibbs, but prior to my having a > > > > > > > > > > > one-to-one > > > > > > > > > > > correlation between the term ‘intuition’ and the > > > > > > > > > > > experience itself, I > > > > > > > > > > > seriously doubt if you apparent analogy nor comparison > > > > > > > > > > > with/definition > > > > > > > > > > > of, cause effect would have let me know what intuition > > > > > > > > > > > was… > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 10:25 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes - try this out. It is known that a movie is > > > > > > > > > > > > constructed by putting a > > > > > > > > > > > number of still photo shots side by side and then > > > > > > > > > > > speeding them up to 32 > > > > > > > > > > frames > > > > > > > > > > > per minute - In so doing this will produce an illusion of > > > > > > > > > > > motion in what is > > > > > > > > > > > really single shots. > > > > > > > > > > > > > So too the differentiation between intellect which is > > > > > > > > > > > > perceived as an idea > > > > > > > > > > > which is really a chain of causes and effects. When you > > > > > > > > > > > speed the > > > > > > > > > connections > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > you blur the connections which is experienced as an > > > > > > > > > > > immediate grasping of > > > > > > > > > > > something significant. The immediacy of cause and effect > > > > > > > > > > > connections blurred > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > experienced as an intuition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2010 12:36 am > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Intuition > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rephrasing it in a way that may better convey my > > > > > > > > > > > > meaning Gibbs: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you suggesting that intuition can be > > > > > > > > > > > > known/understood using > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts and words *when the person being told about > > > > > > > > > > > > has never > > > > > > > > > > > > experienced intuition*? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 21, 4:52 pm, [email protected] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you suggesting that intuition can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > known/understood using > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts and words? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ABSOLUTELY! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sun, Feb 21, 2010 7:14 pm > > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Intuition > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “Yes Ornamental - If intuition cannot be > > > > > > > > > > > > > conceptualized or understood > > > > > > > > > > > > > using concepts then this attempt at shared > > > > > > > > > > > > > understanding is indeed > > > > > > > > > > > > > futile…” – gw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you suggesting that intuition can be > > > > > > > > > > > > > known/understood using > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts and words? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “… If our experience of intuition (as both process of > > > > > > > > > > > > > accessing > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'knowledge' as well as the implied subject matter of > > > > > > > > > > > > > that process - > > > > > > > > > > > > > then your experience of it is as valid as mine and > > > > > > > > > > > > > vice versa. So that > > > > > > > > > > > > > if I choose to view it through the prism of > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiential logic (which > > > > > > > > > > > > > I choose to do) you should endorse my perspective…” – > > > > > > > > > > > > > gw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps I missed the part where you explained what > > > > > > > > > > > > > you mean by > > > > > > > > > > > > > ‘experiential logic’. If so, just direct me to it > > > > > > > > > > > > > please. I couldn’t > > > > > > > > > > > > > find much that appeared reasonable online. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “… My experience of the color red may or may not be > > > > > > > > > > > > > exactly like your > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience of red and according to you we will never > > > > > > > > > > > > > be able to > > > > > > > > > > > > > know….” – gw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In many ways, true, we won’t know…unless perhaps some > > > > > > > > > > > > > very strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > empathetical sense was used. This would be a new > > > > > > > > > > > > > topic of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “… Ok - substitute intuition for the red color. Is > > > > > > > > > > > > > there a difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > in perspective…” – gw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A difference in perspective? In such rarefied topics, > > > > > > > > > > > > > language > > > > > > > > > > > > > matters. I’m not sure exactly what you are asking > > > > > > > > > > > > > here. Guessing, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > will say that the visual ‘sense’ is of a different > > > > > > > > > > > > > nature than that of > > > > > > > > > > > > > ‘intuition’ even though neither are direct results of > > > > > > > > > > > > > concepts and > > > > > > > > > > > > > language. One could add that the auditory sense, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > kinesthetic sense > > > > > > > > > > > > > etc. are all ‘different’ in some ways. On the other > > > > > > > > > > > > > hand, from the > > > > > > > > > > > > > perspective of the unity of all, they are all aspects > > > > > > > > > > > > > of ‘mind’ (not > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking alone, more along the line of cognition) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, while there is sameness…one can, when broken into > > > > > > > > > > > > > constituent > > > > > > > > > > > > > parts, discriminate differences too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > “…There is also a rather elevated tone that so called > > > > > > > > > > > > > intuitive > > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge is vastly superior to lets say any of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > remarkable > > > > > > > > > > > > > findings of science…” – gw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, I’m not sure of what you mean by ‘elevated > > > > > > > > > > > > > tone’ so hesitate… > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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