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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Digest for [email protected] - 25 Messages in 6 Topics To: "Digest Recipients" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 8:58 AM Today's Topic Summary Group: http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye/topics Shades of Color [9 Updates] If You Could Unravel One Secret [5 Updates] death penalty preferred? [2 Updates] Who would you like to be? [5 Updates] "Wisdom isn't cheap, and we pay for it with pain." [3 Updates] Robert Thurman [1 Update] Topic: Shades of Color archytas <[email protected]> Mar 02 08:02PM -0800 ^ With you as my personal trainer and guru Slip, how can I fail? Snappy duds - it's all I can do to prevent the dentist giving me a set of plastic snappers! My Brief Encounter days are long gone and I suspect my boxers predate the last few. I'm just about fit to sit round the fire telling old wives tales. Slip Disc <[email protected]> Mar 03 12:19AM -0800 ^ The waning sunset is the daily reminder of where did it all go when it seemed all so slow but now looking like the end is rapidly coming. Somehow still looking through the eyes of the child but only the bag of bones that houses them has been withering. The colors are not as bright as they once were. If only we could gain years with the donning of new clothes. I'd confess that I keep within the confines of a select few colors myself, the subtle hues that don't shout out loud or appear to stand out like a tourist in the square. I tend to blend in with the environment whenever possible. I guess colors fade too so why not us. Soon enough I'll be blending in with the soil in Elysian fields. I don't waste much time trying to fit the molds or run the gamuts of the world. I've seen too often promises of gold turn gray as silver hair multiplies and dreams become mere episodes of failed hope. As they say, somewhere over the rainbow, red orange yellow green blue violet. Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 05:04AM -0800 ^ > The difference is that light is indeed made up of the colours in the > spectrum while black is actually what occurs when you combine all of > the materials that reflect colour. I've amended my statement above to reflect(!) a better reply concerning 'white'. I absolutely agree with you regarding black paint, which I also alluded to in a different post. Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 05:03AM -0800 ^ > that you will come up with the most obscene color you have ever > realized and not the purest of white, which, by the way has been > representative of purity for a long time. Yes, I was talking about light rather than pigments. With pigment combinations, you get varieties of what are called "Earth Tones", which are varying shades of brown, depending on the mix. > much; You connot purchase Infrared, Near Ultraviolet and Far > Ultraviolet at Lowe's or Home Depot so your recipe for White is yet to > be comlete. It's the other way around, though. Pure white light RESULTS from a mixture of the colours of the spectrum. Or more properly, "White light is the effect of combining the visible colors of light in equal proportions." This is what Newton discovered between 1670 and 1672. Sorry, I got this kind of thing drummed into me years ago by my father who was, as I mentioned in another post, a technical artist, who also dabbled with photography. Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:55AM -0800 ^ > Gee, Pat that is totally grossed out, I mean I usually don't do > corpses in the morning, it makes for a reduced appetite. Thus, a great early morning meditation if you're a Buddhist who's fasting. ;-) > I thought we could view the aspects of color in a personal and > emotional way instead of a scientific and chemical breakdown. I just went with what came first to mind. My brain works like a relational database and 'Purple' triggered that relationship. > When I ask for black paint they don't tell me they don't have any > because black is not a color. When they ask what color I want and I > say black they give me black paint. Yeah, but I'm well known for being pedantic. It was one of those things that was drummed into me by my father, who was a technical artist and tended to get technical with aspects of art, of which, colour is one. Next time you want black paint, ask for paint that will absorb all incoming light and see what they say. > Movies are in color or black and white which results in shades of gray > and then there is the issue of black people who are really brown and > the use of colors for surnames, such as Dan Brown and Betty White. For shame! You forgot about Sepiatone. That was what the beginning and ending of "The Wizard of Oz" was in; the rest was "Technicolor". Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:45AM -0800 ^ > years, possibly before our time here and has remained the same since > our primordial beginnings. When I sit around a fire I realize that it > is the same fire that our ancient ancestors sat around. And, of course, there's the possibility that fire is the simplest form of life. It moves, it consumes, it respires, it leaves waste (ash) and, if you look at sparks as spores, it reproduces. Thus the stories of Djinn being made of fire isn't all that much of a stretch if fire itself is the simplest form of life, why couldn't there be more complex forms based ON it? Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:42AM -0800 ^ > True enough, it isn't always a grand experience. I didn't realise that > everyone couldn't or didn't recently, oddly enough. And no, drugs are > not required. Then, as an old friend used to say, "You're wired weird". Have you passed that trait onto any children or do you know, yet? rigsy03 <[email protected]> Mar 03 05:11AM -0800 ^ There is also the Lucher Color Test for personality but I don't know if it is still valid.//Much depends on the value of a hue as color goes from near white to near black and also its temperature- whether it is warm or cool.//As for influence, it can be positive or negative since color can reflect positive or negative connotations- so green can symbolize hope or envy, so on and so forth.//In painting there is much to learn about mixing colors- whether you are dealing with opaque, transparent, translucent or stains and whether the paint is derived from naturel or industrial sources- also whether it is toxic/ poisonous as the cobalts and cadmiums, etc.(Don't lick a brush back to a point! :-)) rigsy03 <[email protected]> Mar 03 05:18AM -0800 ^ Cheer up!//I've always worn a lot of black for sophistication but like a full range of colors and wear them still however I have no intention of tinting my hair purple when my hair turn gray.Not a big fan of prints and patterns- tweeds and plaids can be okay. Women have a wider choice than men unless you're a bird. :-) Topic: If You Could Unravel One Secret Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> Mar 02 12:57PM -0600 ^ If there was one thing it would be a cure for all sickness. dj fiddler <[email protected]> Mar 02 09:39PM -0800 ^ That could never be. There is such an overwhelming number of diseases and causes that one would have to insure that immortality is the norm. I see what you intend to say --perhaps-- but sickness is the norm, not the exception. Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:11AM -0800 ^ > Just because I cannot disprove that a teapot orbits the sun, does not > mean that a teapot orbits the sun. To claim that it does is a positive > assertion and requires evidence. Great dodge. You can't close the scientific book on a subject you have no evidence for or against, so the book is still open. See? We DO agree. Even if you think you can dodge it with a bit of hand- waving...not past me. Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:14AM -0800 ^ > and causes that one would have to insure that immortality is the norm. > I see what you intend to say --perhaps-- but sickness is the norm, not > the exception. Somehow, I expected you to have replied with something like 'Death is the cure to all illnesses'. It is, and there's scientific evidence to back that up. Besides, your (implied!) assumption above that curing all diseases would lead to immortality seems to have forgotten about killing and accidents. Joseph Abela <[email protected]> Mar 03 07:14AM ^ Hi, I believe that `metaphysics` is the most mysterious secret of this universe. I have tried to unravel these `chromosomes` and defined them out in features that ended up being as proposed by Empedocles 2500 years ago. My book `Homo Sapience Joseph II` treats this subject most extensively. Hope my views about this mysterious subject helps you more to understand the meaning of this universe over the classical imaged elements of `earth, air, fire and water` as I have found myself. ps. black holes and white stars are imaged formation under the form of `matter` polarized` into tokens that are `related` towards everything that are included into bytes and pixels around this universe Joseph Topic: death penalty preferred? Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:33AM -0800 ^ > poorly. I'm photo-sensitive and generally don't like the sun. I'm also > far more comfortable in cold temperatures than hot. I think that he > wouldn't appreciate me much. Good answer. Although it was a nice turn-of-play to name a particular deity and draw a comparison, you seem to forget that Ra doesn't judge in the Egyptian Mythos, that comes down to Anubis, who weighs your heart against the feather of truth (Maat) LONG before you'd get the chance to see Ra. If you're going to argue within a mythos, then you should, at least, know enough about it to employ it properly. But then, I wouldn't really expect you to come across intellectually regarding those things about which you, admittedly, know little about. That said, I gave some thought about your statement "My only impotent wish (prayer) is that there would be a period just before death that religious people could realise that life is just over and no sky- fairie will justify a wasted existence." I get from that that you would prefer people to come to YOUR senses rather than come to their own. However, you've failed to consider that your own belief may, 'just as' easily be erroneous, as it, too, is based on no evidence. Consider, for a moment that you are, in fact, wrong. To hold such a wish would be to deprive the masses of the one thing that can help them for all eternity and THAT is about the most heinous and cold- hearted desire that I think I've ever read on this group. Top ratings for that. Remember, Anubis weighs the heart and, if it doesn't weigh evenly, your heart is passed to Ammit, the Devourer of Souls, where she may either eat it (forcing you to die a second death) or cast it into a lake of fire in which you would burn eternally. Not too much different from modern concepts of Hell. rigsy03 <[email protected]> Mar 03 05:25AM -0800 ^ Basically, the absence of a death penalty rewards the killer with life and does not honor his/her victims therefore it is an arbitrary judgement. The problem, as I have argued, is that it may be difficult to distinguish who actually is a killer. Where a killer is "identified" by eyewitnesses, studies have shown that the witnesses' memories are highly questionable. Also, death penalty cases often lack even purported witnesses--someone who happened to be in the vicinity is accused. The problem is compounded in the U.S., where prosecutors and judges are elected, and the public screams for retribution in admittedly appalling cases, where it is not clear whether the person accused is the actual killer. This is the basis for the Innocence Project, which has found that an alarmingly high percentage of persons convicted of felonies, when evidence is carefully analyzed, are actually innocent. Topic: Who would you like to be? Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> Mar 02 12:53PM -0600 ^ Who do I want to be: Me Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> Mar 02 12:48PM -0600 ^ This is true. It has happen many times(that is turning evil away)evil is evil. People are People. dj Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> Mar 02 03:12PM -0600 ^ Wow! Did you take pictures? If so maybe you could share. I would change somethings of School of hard knocks,without loosing my wisdom that I gain. dj iam deheretic <[email protected]> Mar 03 08:06AM +0100 ^ would you like the pictures sent to this email and what are you interested in? Allan -- ( ) I_D Allan Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:40AM -0800 ^ > This is true. It has happen many times(that is turning evil away)evil is > evil. People are People. dj Thus the old hypothetical question "Is killing a child wrong?" Well, it depends on who that child is and what they might do when older. If the child were to grow up to become a world leader responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people (and there have been several!!), then a 'seemingly evil act' can actually be a 'good act'. But, of course, that takes knowledge of the future, which none of us have. Nevertheless, it's an example of how an evil act can be turned into a good act. Topic: "Wisdom isn't cheap, and we pay for it with pain." Slip Disc <[email protected]> Mar 03 12:49AM -0800 ^ Probably one of the most debilitating aspects of depression is the implication that it is a bad thing in need of treatment. It is most likely just the obverse condition of exuberance, which one would not expect to be engaged in full throttle at all times. If there is cause for the lapse then we might consider it a natural remedy, a coping mechanism. I've often slept away several days and emerged like a hard drive that's gone through the series of file scans and defragmentation. The only notion of being depressed comes from the outside world defining it as such, they sell drugs that way. Sadness is normal and a part of our reverence to things gone by or a loss of anything important. We've been sold on joy and happiness to the point of not recognizing that being down is as necessary. We can't spend all our time in the awake state, we have to sleep, rest and rejuvenate, reorganize. This is the primary function of depression and of course I think it needs a new name. We've been pushed out of our bio rhythms for so long by social systems that we forget that being down is simply natural. There is no longer any time to be down because we are in a constant state of motion, one that dictates we operate routinely and function in a robotic way. The world is noise. Don Johnson <[email protected]> Mar 03 05:00AM -0600 ^ Very good post Slip. I heard just yesterday(from a therapist-not mine ;-P) that depression is, indeed, normal. His idea was to schedule your depression and, like you say, use it as a coping mechanism. Stifling it can cause one to ignore root causes and makes some folks look desperate or fake(I think Polly Anna was actually pathologically suicidal). So there must be something to that 'good cry' my mother used to talk about. Come to think of it, this is why tear-jerkers are so popular. Kramer vs. Kramer anyone? dj ornamentalmind <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:05AM -0800 ^ Slip, I too agree that depression is ‘normal’ in the sense that it is the common human experience. I also agree that drugs are not indicated unless one wishes to use them. Beyond this truth though, and without wishing to be evangelical like many here are, I do strongly suggest that there are antidotes to the vast majority of depressive manifestations. These antidotes are in fact little more than a better understanding of what we are and what our processes are along with our purpose. Topic: Robert Thurman archytas <[email protected]> Mar 02 08:08PM -0800 ^ Pretty much the way I see those issues Rigsby. I have often wondered how Germany managed to 'secretly' re-arm after WW1. Given how good we are supposed to have been spotting WMDs, you'd have thought we might have noticed fleets of aircraft, ships and a massive increase in soldiers' boots back then. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
