Richard's point is a good one, hidden down there within the other posts. Life in prison is a life of horror. Compound that with the fact that some serving a life sentence are actually innocent. I think in these cases, there are no winners. Perhaps it is just life unfolding in ways difficult to judge.
On Mar 3, 11:29 am, Richard Mendales <[email protected]> wrote: > --- On Wed, 3/3/10, [email protected] > <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Digest for [email protected] - 25 Messages in > 6 Topics > To: "Digest Recipients" <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 8:58 AM > > > Today's Topic Summary > Group:http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye/topics > > Shades of Color [9 Updates] > If You Could Unravel One Secret [5 Updates] > death penalty preferred? [2 Updates] > Who would you like to be? [5 Updates] > "Wisdom isn't cheap, and we pay for it with pain." [3 Updates] > Robert Thurman [1 Update] > > Topic: Shades of Color > > archytas <[email protected]> Mar 02 08:02PM -0800 > ^ > > > > With you as my personal trainer and guru Slip, how can I fail? Snappy > > duds - it's all I can do to prevent the dentist giving me a set of > > plastic snappers! My Brief Encounter days are long gone and I suspect > > my boxers predate the last few. I'm just about fit to sit round the > > fire telling old wives tales. > > > > > > Slip Disc <[email protected]> Mar 03 12:19AM -0800 > ^ > > > > The waning sunset is the daily reminder of where did it all go when it > > seemed all so slow but now looking like the end is rapidly coming. > > Somehow still looking through the eyes of the child but only the bag > > of bones that houses them has been withering. The colors are not as > > bright as they once were. If only we could gain years with the > > donning of new clothes. I'd confess that I keep within the confines > > of a select few colors myself, the subtle hues that don't shout out > > loud or appear to stand out like a tourist in the square. I tend to > > blend in with the environment whenever possible. I guess colors fade > > too so why not us. Soon enough I'll be blending in with the soil in > > Elysian fields. I don't waste much time trying to fit the molds or > > run the gamuts of the world. I've seen too often promises of gold > > turn gray as silver hair multiplies and dreams become mere episodes of > > failed hope. As they say, somewhere over the rainbow, red orange > > yellow green blue violet. > > > > > > > > Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 05:04AM -0800 > ^ > > > > > The difference is that light is indeed made up of the colours in the > > > spectrum while black is actually what occurs when you combine all of > > the materials that reflect colour. > > > > I've amended my statement above to reflect(!) a better reply > > concerning 'white'. I absolutely agree with you regarding black > > paint, which I also alluded to in a different post. > > > > > > Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 05:03AM -0800 > ^ > > > > > that you will come up with the most obscene color you have ever > > > realized and not the purest of white, which, by the way has been > > representative of purity for a long time. > > > > Yes, I was talking about light rather than pigments. With pigment > > combinations, you get varieties of what are called "Earth Tones", > > which are varying shades of brown, depending on the mix. > > > > > much; You connot purchase Infrared, Near Ultraviolet and Far > > Ultraviolet at Lowe's or Home Depot so your recipe for White is yet to > > be comlete. > > > > It's the other way around, though. Pure white light RESULTS from a > > mixture of the colours of the spectrum. Or more properly, "White light > > is the effect of combining the visible colors of light in equal > > proportions." This is what Newton discovered between 1670 and 1672. > > Sorry, I got this kind of thing drummed into me years ago by my father > > who was, as I mentioned in another post, a technical artist, who also > > dabbled with photography. > > > > > > Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:55AM -0800 > ^ > > > > > Gee, Pat that is totally grossed out, I mean I usually don't do > > > corpses in the morning, it makes for a reduced appetite. > > > > Thus, a great early morning meditation if you're a Buddhist who's > > fasting. ;-) > > > > > I thought we could view the aspects of color in a personal and > > emotional way instead of a scientific and chemical breakdown. > > > > I just went with what came first to mind. My brain works like a > > relational database and 'Purple' triggered that relationship. > > > > > When I ask for black paint they don't tell me they don't have any > > because black is not a color. When they ask what color I want and I > > say black they give me black paint. > > > > Yeah, but I'm well known for being pedantic. It was one of those > > things that was drummed into me by my father, who was a technical > > artist and tended to get technical with aspects of art, of which, > > colour is one. Next time you want black paint, ask for paint that > > will absorb all incoming light and see what they say. > > > > > Movies are in color or black and white which results in shades of gray > > and then there is the issue of black people who are really brown and > > the use of colors for surnames, such as Dan Brown and Betty White. > > > > For shame! You forgot about Sepiatone. That was what the beginning > > and ending of "The Wizard of Oz" was in; the rest was "Technicolor". > > > > > > Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:45AM -0800 > ^ > > > > > years, possibly before our time here and has remained the same since > > > our primordial beginnings. When I sit around a fire I realize that it > > is the same fire that our ancient ancestors sat around. > > > > And, of course, there's the possibility that fire is the simplest form > > of life. It moves, it consumes, it respires, it leaves waste (ash) > > and, if you look at sparks as spores, it reproduces. Thus the stories > > of Djinn being made of fire isn't all that much of a stretch if fire > > itself is the simplest form of life, why couldn't there be more > > complex forms based ON it? > > > > > > Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:42AM -0800 > ^ > > > > > True enough, it isn't always a grand experience. I didn't realise that > > > everyone couldn't or didn't recently, oddly enough. And no, drugs are > > not required. > > > > Then, as an old friend used to say, "You're wired weird". Have you > > passed that trait onto any children or do you know, yet? > > > > > > rigsy03 <[email protected]> Mar 03 05:11AM -0800 > ^ > > > > There is also the Lucher Color Test for personality but I don't know > > if it is still valid.//Much depends on the value of a hue as color > > goes from near white to near black and also its temperature- whether > > it is warm or cool.//As for influence, it can be positive or negative > > since color can reflect positive or negative connotations- so green > > can symbolize hope or envy, so on and so forth.//In painting there is > > much to learn about mixing colors- whether you are dealing with > > opaque, transparent, translucent or stains and whether the paint is > > derived from naturel or industrial sources- also whether it is toxic/ > > poisonous as the cobalts and cadmiums, etc.(Don't lick a brush back to > > a point! :-)) > > > > > > rigsy03 <[email protected]> Mar 03 05:18AM -0800 > ^ > > > > Cheer up!//I've always worn a lot of black for sophistication but like > > a full range of colors and wear them still however I have no intention > > of tinting my hair purple when my hair turn gray.Not a big fan of > > prints and patterns- tweeds and plaids can be okay. Women have a wider > > choice than men unless you're a bird. :-) > > > > > > Topic: If You Could Unravel One Secret > > Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> Mar 02 12:57PM -0600 > ^ > > > > If there was one thing it would be a cure for all sickness. dj > > > > > > fiddler <[email protected]> Mar 02 09:39PM -0800 > ^ > > > > That could never be. There is such an overwhelming number of diseases > > and causes that one would have to insure that immortality is the norm. > > I see what you intend to say --perhaps-- but sickness is the norm, not > > the exception. > > > > > > Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:11AM -0800 > ^ > > > > > Just because I cannot disprove that a teapot orbits the sun, does not > > > mean that a teapot orbits the sun. To claim that it does is a positive > > assertion and requires evidence. > > > > Great dodge. You can't close the scientific book on a subject you > > have no evidence for or against, so the book is still open. See? We > > DO agree. Even if you think you can dodge it with a bit of hand- > > waving...not past me. > > > > > > Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:14AM -0800 > ^ > > > > > and causes that one would have to insure that immortality is the norm. > > > I see what you intend to say --perhaps-- but sickness is the norm, not > > the exception. > > > > Somehow, I expected you to have replied with something like 'Death is > > the cure to all illnesses'. It is, and there's scientific evidence to > > back that up. Besides, your (implied!) assumption above that curing > > all diseases would lead to immortality seems to have forgotten about > > killing and accidents. > > > > > > Joseph Abela <[email protected]> Mar 03 07:14AM > ^ > > > > Hi, > > I believe that `metaphysics` is the most mysterious secret of this universe. > > I have tried to unravel these `chromosomes` and defined them out in features > > that ended up being as proposed by Empedocles 2500 years ago. > > My book `Homo Sapience Joseph II` treats this subject most extensively. > > Hope my views about this mysterious subject helps you more to understand the > > meaning of this universe over the classical imaged elements of `earth, air, > > fire and water` as I have found myself. > > ps. black holes and white stars are imaged formation under the form of > > `matter` polarized` into tokens that are `related` towards everything that > > are included into bytes and pixels around this universe > > Joseph > > > > > > Topic: death penalty preferred? > > Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:33AM -0800 > ^ > > > > > poorly. I'm photo-sensitive and generally don't like the sun. I'm also > > > far more comfortable in cold temperatures than hot. I think that he > > wouldn't appreciate me much. > > > > Good answer. Although it was a nice turn-of-play to name a particular > > deity and draw a comparison, you seem to forget that Ra doesn't judge > > in the Egyptian Mythos, that comes down to Anubis, who weighs your > > heart against the feather of truth (Maat) LONG before you'd get the > > chance to see Ra. If you're going to argue within a mythos, then you > > should, at least, know enough about it to employ it properly. But > > then, I wouldn't really expect you to come across intellectually > > regarding those things about which you, admittedly, know little about. > > > > That said, I gave some thought about your statement "My only impotent > > wish (prayer) is that there would be a period just before death that > > religious people could realise that life is just over and no sky- > > fairie will justify a wasted existence." I get from that that you > > would prefer people to come to YOUR senses rather than come to their > > own. However, you've failed to consider that your own belief may, > > 'just as' easily be erroneous, as it, too, is based on no evidence. > > Consider, for a moment that you are, in fact, wrong. To hold such a > > wish would be to deprive the masses of the one thing that can help > > them for all eternity and THAT is about the most heinous and cold- > > hearted desire that I think I've ever read on this group. Top ratings > > for that. > > > > Remember, Anubis weighs the heart and, if it doesn't weigh evenly, > > your heart is passed to Ammit, the Devourer of Souls, where she may > > either eat it (forcing you to die a second death) or cast it into a > > lake of fire in which you would burn eternally. Not too much > > different from modern concepts of Hell. > > > > > > rigsy03 <[email protected]> Mar 03 05:25AM -0800 > ^ > > > > Basically, the absence of a death penalty rewards the killer with life > > and does not honor his/her victims therefore it is an arbitrary > > judgement. > > > > The problem, as I have argued, is that it may be difficult to > distinguish who actually is a killer. Where a killer is "identified" by > eyewitnesses, studies have shown that the witnesses' memories are highly > questionable. Also, death penalty cases often lack even purported > witnesses--someone who happened to be in the vicinity is accused. The > problem is compounded in the U.S., where prosecutors and judges are elected, > and the public screams for retribution in admittedly appalling cases, where > it is not clear whether the person accused is the actual killer. This is the > basis for the Innocence Project, which has found that an alarmingly high > percentage of persons convicted of felonies, when evidence is carefully > analyzed, are actually innocent. > > Topic: Who would you like to be? > > Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> Mar 02 12:53PM -0600 > ^ > > > > Who do I want to be: Me > > > > > > Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> Mar 02 12:48PM -0600 > ^ > > > > This is true. It has happen many times(that is turning evil away)evil > is > > evil. People are People. dj > > > > > > Doris Briscoe <[email protected]> Mar 02 03:12PM -0600 > ^ > > > > Wow! Did you take pictures? If so maybe you could share. I would > change > > somethings of School of hard knocks,without loosing my wisdom that I gain. > > dj > > > > > > iam deheretic <[email protected]> Mar 03 08:06AM +0100 > ^ > > > > would you like the pictures sent to this email and what are you > interested > > in? > > Allan > > > > > > -- > > ( > > ) > > I_D Allan > > > > Pat <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:40AM -0800 > ^ > > > > > This is true. It has happen many times(that is turning evil > away)evil is > > > evil. People are People. dj > > > > Thus the old hypothetical question "Is killing a child wrong?" Well, > > it depends on who that child is and what they might do when older. If > > the child were to grow up to become a world leader responsible for the > > deaths of millions of innocent people (and there have been several!!), > > then a 'seemingly evil act' can actually be a 'good act'. But, of > > course, that takes knowledge of the future, which none of us have. > > Nevertheless, it's an example of how an evil act can be turned into a > > good act. > > > > > > Topic: "Wisdom isn't cheap, and we pay for it with pain." > > Slip Disc <[email protected]> Mar 03 12:49AM -0800 > ^ > > > > Probably one of the most debilitating aspects of depression is the > > implication that it is a bad thing in need of treatment. It is most > > likely just the obverse condition of exuberance, which one would not > > expect to be engaged in full throttle at all times. If there is cause > > for the lapse then we might consider it a natural remedy, a coping > > mechanism. I've often slept away several days and emerged like a hard > > drive that's gone through the series of file scans and > > defragmentation. The only notion of being depressed comes from the > > outside world defining it as such, they sell drugs that way. Sadness > > is normal and a part of our reverence to things gone by or a loss of > > anything important. We've been sold on joy and happiness to the point > > of not recognizing that being down is as necessary. We can't spend > > all our time in the awake state, we have to sleep, rest and > > rejuvenate, reorganize. This is the primary function of depression > > and of course I think it needs a new name. We've been pushed out of > > our bio rhythms for so long by social systems that we forget that > > being down is simply natural. There is no longer any time to be down > > because we are in a constant state of motion, one that dictates we > > operate routinely and function in a robotic way. The world is > > noise. > > > > > > Don Johnson <[email protected]> Mar 03 05:00AM -0600 > ^ > > > > Very good post Slip. I heard just yesterday(from a therapist-not mine > > ;-P) that depression is, indeed, normal. His idea was to schedule > > your depression and, like you say, use it as a coping mechanism. > > Stifling it can cause one to ignore root causes and makes some folks > > look desperate or fake(I think Polly Anna was actually pathologically > > suicidal). So there must be something to that 'good cry' my mother > > used to talk about. Come to think of it, this is why tear-jerkers are > > so popular. > > > > Kramer vs. Kramer anyone? > > > > dj > > > > > > ornamentalmind <[email protected]> Mar 03 04:05AM -0800 > ^ > > > > Slip, I too agree that depression is ‘normal’ in the sense that it is > > the common human experience. I also agree that drugs are not indicated > > unless one wishes to use them. > > > > Beyond this truth though, and without wishing to be evangelical like > > many here are, I do strongly suggest that there are antidotes to the > > vast majority of depressive manifestations. These antidotes are in > > fact little more than a better understanding of what we are and what > > our processes are along with our purpose. > > > > > > > > Topic: Robert Thurman > > archytas <[email protected]> Mar 02 08:08PM -0800 > ^ > > > > Pretty much the way I see those issues Rigsby. I have often wondered > > how Germany managed to 'secretly' re-arm after WW1. Given how good we > > are supposed to have been spotting WMDs, you'd have thought we might > > have noticed fleets of aircraft, ships and a massive increase in > > soldiers' boots back then. > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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