On the surface I would sat that derivatives would have the social
value ascribed to them by those who deal in those markets and those
affected by them. But I much appreciate what JefferyC wrote! I know
little of these markets but what recently skimmed over in the links
which you provided. I think it would make for an interesting
conversation and most definitly be a learning experience! Thanks Slip!

On Apr 24, 1:58 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> We know that some people have made fortunes but is there really any
> social value to what seems to be just gambling. Have we really gained
> anything as a society or has it caused more ruin?
>
> Almost a year ago US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner wants to regulate
> the derivative 
> market.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/53212...
>
> The wiki definition;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_%28finance%29
>
> Criticisms of the Derivative 
> Markethttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_%28finance%29#Criticisms
>
> Below that the benefits which are clearly outnumbered by the
> criticisms
>
> NPR discussion on the Diane Rehm show which you can listen to 
> here:http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2010-04-23/news-roundup-hour-1
> AUDIO:http://thedianerehmshow.org/audio-player?nid=12352
>
> JeffreyC wrote:
>
> Diane,
>
> I am a dedicated listener and I love your show. However, today I was
> very upset that none of your guests new anything about derivatives.
> Their inability to describe how derivatives increase social welfare
> demonstrates what little they know of finance and economics. More
> upsetting is how they pretended to know and still commented, spreading
> misconception and falsehoods.
>
> DERIVATIVES allow institutions to hedge against uncertainties,
> effectively reducing risk and volatility in earnings and investment.
> This is good for business as more predictable cash flows allow for
> better planning and increased investment. This has a direct positive
> effect on the welfare of an economy. Also, speculators are necessary
> to ensure that all hedgers are able to place their hedges. The
> speculator thus provides needed liquidity since all transactions need
> two participants.
>
> THAT being said, the real topic is whether or not derivatives
> transactions should only take place on a transparent exchange.
>
> PLEASE try to have someone trained in economics or finance on your
> show when discussing matters of this type. Thank you.
>
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