O2 Gabby, are you advertising mobile phones now? I would rather like there to be something good and cosmic, yet we seem stuck within light only to dream. If there is anything worthwhile long-term we will have to be able to leave this planet and be able to sense a very different cosmos in differently built lives or whatever form of existence. Better dreams than our evolutionary desire for control over others through some authority we only guess at without much self- understanding or imagination might be a start. Bleak science fiction in which we still play the old soap and horse operas is a bore, god a weak fiction signalling inevitably old rehash avoiding the embarrassment of really trying to make sense of a strange hand we seem to have been dealt. We do not have even an alchemy of the cosmos, let alone a way to free ourselves from ancient drivel and swinging incense; not even stub axles on which to spin our re-invented wheels. I draw a blank with the cosmic mind, though it does seem there is some kind of quantum cosmic code - this, so far has given us WMDs and the ability to get Bacofoil to the edge of the heliosphere. We still breed with all the awareness of lemmings, and when the idiocy of old scrolls is revealed by hard work, we become believers in other Mumbo- Jumbo like 'economics'. History is still beyond us because our memories are feeble and we believe them strong. Cosmic thinking must go outside the blather of the next fool wanting to lead the cavalry charge into the next volcano to satisfy his or her debt to God. We don't even know if being is better than nothingness; and there is stuff to suggest it isn't as the Cathars worked out.
It strikes me if there is some point, then it's likely to be about being able to evolve from the state we are in, rather than have to regress to quasi-bacterial spores until we once again lodge on some 'M- class' destination. Currently, we do not know how to travel to do this. Maybe something is about to tell us, maybe it will be scientists protected in the rapture, on the grounds they did work a bit harder than the religious loonies and were less incestuous? The lack of honesty in cosmo-babble is extreme, signalling for followers dumb enough to hope the next pyramid scheme is the right one. On 8 May, 10:02, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > If as you say, Pat , that there are Big Bang to Annhilation sequences > in infinity then God to be omniscient has to be aware of all the > infinite no. of sequences or it might be said that God's awareness is > infinite. That is in contradiction to your theory that God's awareness > is comprehensive and not infinite? There is no starting point to these > sequences and no final point. > > On May 7, 8:09 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 7 May, 15:53, RP <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > God is the mind which concieves the universe , He is the mind which > > > runs it, and He is the mind which destroys it. He does not see in the > > > manner in which we see each other and He does not act in the manner in > > > which we act. His awareness and action is transcendental in nature. In > > > our vanity we may pretend to comprehend Him, but we do not see or > > > accept the fact that our intelligence is not infinite but only a few > > > grades above that of animals. We have to just look at animals to > > > realise that , after all our understanding also is finite. We are > > > learning and growing day by day , but we are far from being Supreme. > > > Well, He does see as we do, but He also sees in a way we do not. When > > you look at something, in reality, it is Him that is seeing (and > > hearing and every other sensation any of us sense). And His ability > > to multiprocess all our awarenesses (and the awareness of all living > > things!) is a part of what defines His transcendant abilities. But > > there are more (unseen) places than just this 4-D universe and His > > wareness includes all that, as well. You're also right about our > > level of consciousness being not that much above other animals. It is > > our conceit that leads us to believe we are far greater than they > > are. But we're not. God can think like a tree (and, in fact thinks > > like each tree, as each tree's awareness is, in fact, His), yet no > > animal can. I'm not sure that God's understanding is infinite, but it > > is comprehensive, that is, it covers everything, though there may be a > > limit, that limit is far beyond our comprehension.
