"Perhaps we can say that what you refer to as the "One" is drunk with
the delusion of domination."
Hypothetically lets say an all-encompassing One exists, there might be no other
option, and it must be what it is. Or perhaps the idea of One as we know it is
an anthropomorphism or stop-gap measure for our minds to explain things beyond
our comprehension. I do however personally agree with you, incapable of rising
to planes of efficacy and comprehension we may have little recourse but to
experience the drunkenness or saturation. This sadly I see to an extent as
paralysis, but we are moving forward and I've gotten some interesting responses
to that before.
"Power is not a delusion, it is real and possibly necessary for social
functionality alternative to chaos and anarchy. Like social upheavals the resistance
to domination renders
an entire metropolis mere flotsam."
The ends should be apparent in the means, the potential of the human
spirit (however one may see it) should be something, /anything/, other
than flotsam.
"Empires crumble when domination ceases to exist."
Trial and error perhaps? The increasing use of dominance may also be
seen as a sign of inadequacy and ultimately impotence. The idea of an
empire is to get everyone on board, dominance can only achieve things to
a point, because our empires are composed of people. Think of it like an
ant colony, that is the perfect empire, what unites the ants is the
common motivation (genetic predisposition for the caste, an effective
and strictly defined neurochemical communication system). The ants do
what they can, human beings are not and I think it is the disparity
between capacity and uptake of that potential which is hindering a 'self
actualization' of our species.
We are capable of much more than that, it just takes some hard work and
thought. Until an empire rises which unites all of mankind with a common
vision more of the same is just what we will have. In that time I think
the word power would become obsolete.
Just my impromptu recipe:
There are a few challenges to overcome and they should be fundamental:
population, resources, advancement. Quality of life for all people today
and into the future should be of ultimate concern.
The benefit to engaging responsible reproduction collectively should be
of concern. The development and adaptation to sustainable resource
usage. Advancement of effective sciences into public awareness and
governance (merit), and ultimately the species with the focus on time
(present, decades, centuries, millennia, eons). Advancement of arts for
all the diverse reasons we want to survive and make meaning.
Alternatives:
Reproduce and consume waiting for a bigger fish to come along. Make the
same mistakes again and again, perpetual growth and pyramid schemes. To
our credit I don't think most are aware of how great our potential is.
I agree that it is important we can 'descend' as appropriate to ensure
survival, but I think it is just as important to evolve and forge ahead
in order to stand the test of time. The logical conclusions of dominance
and control if allowed the reins is an ever increasing bureaucracy and
reduction of complex organic circumstances to convenient decision trees
and assessments.
Just an idea at this point, I bet you have some improvements and I would
like to hear them.
On 6/2/2010 11:26 PM, Slip Disc wrote:
Perhaps we can say that what you refer to as the "One" is drunk with
the delusion of domination. Power is not a delusion, it is real and
possibly necessary for social functionality alternative to chaos and
anarchy. Like social upheavals the resistance to domination renders
an entire metropolis mere flotsam. Empires crumble when domination
ceases to exist. We, each in our microcosm of life, dominate our
environment in order to form a stable and productive mechanism.
Without domination our children, animals, friends and co-workers would
be completely without semblance. Sure there are those that foam at
the mouth with the craving for world domination but it doesn't negate
the basic need for it. We are not slaves to the necessity of
domination; it is as necessary as any other survival mechanism and a
natural function; a Darwinian principle.
On Jun 2, 6:43 am, Molly<[email protected]> wrote:
"the influence, and intoxicating delusion of power provided by
domination."
Well put, Ash. One is a slave who allows themselves to be dominated.
Those who dominate are actually slaves to their own lower nature.
Making the choice to be neither, yet embracing all those that are, as
essential to the One, is the means to escaping the slavery we each
impose on ourselves.
On Jun 2, 2:12 am, Ash<[email protected]> wrote:
Here in the US we have a variety of subcultures and most of them derive
from some competition for limited resources (whether real or imagined)
largely influenced by the socioeconomic strata but also including group
identity (class, religion, sexuality, age, ethnicity, political
orientation, etc).
It is possible to become like a slave to the roles we play through
attachment to our values, ritualized behavior and institutionalized
ideation of our self and the world we live in. The reduction to slavery
I think involves corruption within our faculty of assessment where the
healthy mind reasons flexibly and creatively toward wisdom and
fulfillment of a virtuous life (even if simple by most standards) but is
reduced to programmed responses by institutionalizing influences. That
is as an automaton or robotic.
One difficult matter that Molly and a few others have been mentioning
lately is the influence, and intoxicating delusion of power provided by
domination. If you look across the spectrum of abuse from the vilest
sacks of crap to the excelsior and prestigious cruel overlords of reason
you may find them both motivated by similar hungers. The ends justify
the means and self-satisfaction comes at the cost of those underfoot who
are the means to their ends. That understanding and thousands of images
strike the anger out of one when the times come, like humble being
branded onto their psyche (or heart). That is what I mean if you hear me
say ignorance is a privilege. Also, the faculty of assessment is mostly
subconscious and domination is the most greatly rewarded in society and
the animal kingdom. The trick is to make intentions and motivations a
conscious choice so that we may behave as, and be 'human'.
IMO
On 5/30/2010 8:05 PM, kdephil wrote:
I want to start off saying I am new here at minds eye. I don't have a
title nor do i desire one,
(philosopher ,student, wannabe) it all doesn't matter.
I remember when I was younger I wanted to fit in with the kids at
school.
I tried the baggy pants and and using curse words like everyone else
was doing at middle school,
but it never stick (I was socially retarded for that sort of thing).
Now that i have gotten wiser I think this
things were foolish now.
so my questions are:
1) The way that society(except the family) programs a human, is it a
type of brain washing ?
ex. Mostly in the U.S some woman will try and get a boob job and
thinks its ok, while most woman from east
Asia will think the idea is disgusting.
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